Anonymous said...
Iisa lang ang likas na kalagayan ng isang being.
Si Cristo DIOS na nag anyong tao.
Tao ang katawan pero ang nasa loob nun DIOS.
bagong kaanib ng ADD nakausap nito. may paksa sa Pasalamat na "Kung bakit ang Panginoong JesuCristo ay tao rin"
nga pala, kung paniwala ng Simbahan ay tao rin likas na kalagayan ni Cristo at di lang DIOS, they should not debate with INCs kung paniwala nyo tao din si Cristo.
Si Cristo ay DIOS na nasa loob ng anyong tao.
kaya nung namatay ang katawan, yung Espiritu pumunta sa bilangguan ng mga espiritu (1 Pedro 3:18-19) Catholic Church believes on it also.
yung Espiritung nasa loob ng katawan, DIOS yun (Colosas 2:9)nananahan sa katawang tao ni Cristo sa lupa.
Tao yung katawan pero yung nasa loob ng katawan DIOS.
kung pinag uusapan nyo ay tunay na likas na kalagayan ni Cristo, natural DIOS siya. (original nature niya ah) naniniwala naman ang Simbahan na ang original nature ni Jesus eh DIOS.
pero nung nasa lupa, naging 2. yung katawan ay tao pero ang nasa loob ng katawan DIOS.
bagong kaanib lang nakausap nyo. may paksa sa pasalamatan na "kung bakit ang Panginoong Jesus ay tao rin"
P.S. iisa lang pinagkaiba ng Christology natin. you dont believe that God and Jesus are equal. the rest magkapareho.
January 20, 2010 12:27 PM
REPLY OF THE CATHOLICS
to: MISTER ANONYMOUS NA ADD
KAAWAY HINDI PAREHO ANG PANIWALA NATIN SA ESSENCE ,SUBSTANCE OR NATURE NG DIYOS-
PUMUNTA KA NA LANG SA KATEKISMO NAMIN AT WALA KAMING SINASABI SA LOOB AT SA LABAS
MERON KA PA KASING SA LOOB AT SA LABAS- MUKANG KENDI O LUMPIA YATA ITONG SINASABI MO-
KASI PARANG CHOCOLATE O LUMPIA SI CRISTO SA INYO- CRISPY SA LABAS AT NADUN ANG LAMAN SA LOOB-
PAANO MO NALAMAN - SA LOOB AY DIYOS- GAANO KA LALIM PAGKATAPOS NG BALAT NI JESUS ANG PAGKA DIYOS NIYA
IBIGAY MO NGA SA AKIN ANG LALIM- PARANG BUHOK LANG YAN- GAANO KAHABA ANG MAHABA 0 ANG IGSI SA MAIKSI
IBIGAY MO NGA SA AKIN ANG SUKAT NA GALING SA BIBLIA-
NASA BA ANG KALULUWA NG TAO NASA LOOB O NASA LABAS? NAKITA NA BA NI ELI KUNG NASAAN ITO
PARANG YUNG PUWIT -SIYA LANG YATA ANG TAO NA NAKAKITA NITO
SA LOOB AT SA LABAS NAMAN SA ANYO NI CRISTO- IBIGAY MO SA AKIN SAAN SA LOOB NG ANYON CRISTO ANG DIYOS
WALA TAYONG PAREHONG ARAL AT TURO-
LALO MONG PINALALA- MAS BAGUHAN KA PA YATA KAY RYAN DE LA CRUZ- O IKAW DIN YAN
KUNG HINDI MO MAIBIBIGAY- ANONG KENDI BA ITO O LUMPIA- SHANGHAI O FREASH LUMPIA
SORI FOR THE DELAY IN REPLY- DAMI LANG KASING GINAGAWA
Alam mo po, simple lang naman. Hayaan mong ang biblia ang magsabi na mali ang isang tao o isang relihiyon. Di ko sasabihing mali ka. basahin mo na lang ang mga salita ng DIos na ipepaste ko. Pag nagalit ka, sa biblia ka nagagalit at sa salita ng Dios at sa Dios mismo na may-ari ng salita.
ReplyDeleteExo 20:4 Huwag kang gagawa para sa iyo ng larawang inanyuan o ng kawangis man ng anomang anyong nasa itaas sa langit, o ng nasa ibaba sa lupa, o ng nasa tubig sa ilalim ng lupa:
Exo 20:5 Huwag mong yuyukuran sila, o paglingkuran man sila; sapagka't akong Panginoon mong Dios, ay Dios na mapanibughuin, na aking dinadalaw ang katampalasanan ng mga magulang sa mga anak, hanggang sa ikatlo at ikaapat na salin ng lahi ng mga napopoot sa akin;
Eph 5:5 Sapagka't talastas ninyong lubos, na sinomang mapakiapid, o mahalay, o masakim, na isang mapagsamba sa mga diosdiosan, ay walang anomang mamanahin sa kaharian ni Cristo at ng Dios.
Mat 6:7 At sa pananalangin ninyo ay huwag ninyong gamitin ang walang kabuluhang paulitulit, na gaya ng ginagawa ng mga Gentil: sapagka't iniisip nilang dahil sa kanilang maraming kasasalita ay didinggin sila.
Mat 23:9 At huwag ninyong tawaging inyong ama ang sinomang tao sa lupa: sapagka't iisa ang inyong ama, sa makatuwid baga'y siya na nasa langit.
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TAPOS NA YAN NASAGOT KO NA YAN, ANG SALUBUNGIN MO ANG TOPIC LUMPIA THEOLOGY NI MAMA ELI YAN ANG I DEPENSA MO ENGOT! ANG ADD KAPAG HINDI MASAGOT PAPASOK SA REBULTO. WALA KASING ALAM KASI NA UTO NI MAMA ELI.
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ReplyDeleteI WOULD SUGGEST YOU READ MORE
OH SURE WE KNOW HOW TO READ REINEE AND WE WILL NOW TELL YOU THAT READING
MUST BE INVESTIGATIVE AND MUST BE GUIDED IN CASE YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS A BIT IMPAIRED - BECAUSE LEANING ON ONES OWN UNDERSTANDING WITH THIS DEFECT WILL LEAD YOU TO PERDITION
GOD SAID "WHAT I HAVE SAID WILL NOT RETURN TO ME EMPTY AND VOID"
DID GOD CONTRADICT HIMSELF WHEN HE COMMANDED THE JEWS NOT TO MAKE IDOLS IN THE FORM OF ANYTHING -ABOVE HIM -BELOW HIM AND EVEN UNDER HIM
LET US FIND OUT-HOW REINEE UNDERSTANDS THE SCRIPTURES WITH HIS PERSISTENCE AND HIS ACCUSATIONS THAT CATHOLICS ARE WORSHIPING ACCORDING TO HIM IDOLS
COMMON OBJECTION OF NON CATHOLICS
IT IS VERY CLEAR IN THE BIBLE WHICH SAYS "therefore do not become corrupted; do not make an idol or a god carved in the form of a man or a woman"
DUET 4:16 "YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR SERVE THEM. For I YAHWEH, YOUR God am a jealous God .... Exodus 20:5, I am Yahweh that is my name, I will not give Glory to another or my praise to graven images- Isa 42.8
Here it is very clear that God prohibits the carving of images in the form of man and woman. what God allows to be carved are those of cherubim or angels not images of Man Ex 25:18-19 , BUT GOD NEVER RECOMMENDED THOSE IMAGES TO BE WORSHIPPED
CATHOLIC ANSWER
ReplyDeleteIs the text used from Deut 4:16 that God prohibits the making of any images of man or woman, a prohibition without any condition? Or the prohibition means that the images shall not be thought of as God?
NOW READ THIS REINEE -
Because if you will say that the making of images be it man or woman is really prohibited without any condition then ....
HE COMMANDED MOSES TO MAKE IMAGES OF ANGELS OR CHERUBIMS. IF THESE ARE REPRESENTED BY IMAGES AS ALLOWED BY YAHWEH, THESE ARE IMAGES OF MEN BUT WITH WINGS AND CREATURES FROM ABOVE. SINCE THE ANGELS APPEARED BEFORE LOT WERE IN THE FORM OF MEN WHO WERE MASCULINE GEN 19:1,5-8
ALSO INSIDE THE TEMPLE OF GOD OR THE HOUSE OF GOD - WHICH JESUS SAID
"MY FATHER'S HOUSE"
I WILL DESCRIBE TO YOU THE TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT EVEN JESUS DID NOT
REBUKE WITH THESE IMAGES AND EVEN CALLED IT "HIS FATHERS HOUSE"
2 CHRONICLES 3:7 "ON THE WALLS SOLOMON HAD CARVED CHERUBIMS
3:10 - IN THE HOLLIES OF HOLLIES - HE MADE TWO CHERUBIMS OF METAL AND PLATED THEM WITH GOLD
1 KING 6:29 "SOLOMON HAD ALL THE WALLS CARVED WITH CHERUBIMS , PALM TREES
AND FLOWERS
1 king 6:27 THE CHERUBIM OF THE HOLY OF HOLIES AND THEIR WINGS SO SPREAD APART THAT THEY TOUCHED BOTH WALLS
EZEKIEL 41:17-19 "from the foor to the inner part of the house, and right
around the whole wall of the inner room outside and inside , were carved
cherubims and palm trees, palm trees and cherubims alternating each, each
cherubims had two faces, the face of a man turned towards the palm tree on
one side and the face of a lion toward the palm tree on the other, all
around the house. the cherubims and palm trees were carved from the floor
to above the entrance, as also from the wall of the hall.
THIS IS THE WAY THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE FULL OF
CARVED, CHERUBIMS TREES A FACE OF A MAN AND A LION.
DAVID WAS THE FATHER OF SOLOMON WAS GIVEN THE NAME THE LION OF JUDAH
AND JESUS CALLED IT "HIS FATHER'S HOUSE" -
HIS FATHERS HOUSE WITH CARVED IMAGES? HARLAN SAID THE TEMPLE OF GOD HAS NO ROOM FOR IDOLS?
IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT IF ALL IMAGES REPRESENT FALSE GODS, THEN GOD IS THE
FIRST ONE WHO VIOLATED HIS COMMAND WHEN HE COMMANDED MOSES TO CARVE IMAGES
OF ANGELS EXO 25:18-19 AND THE IMAGE OF FIERY SERPENT NUMBER 21:8
BUT AS WE ALREADy KNOW , GOD CANNOT COMMIT ANY FAULT.
THEREFORE IT IS THE MISINTERPRETATON OF REINEE AND HARLAN WHICH LED THEM
TO ERR IN SAYING THAT ALL IMAGES REPRESENT FALSE GODS. THE SCRIPTURES
TEACHES US WHAT ARE FALSE GODS ARE:
FOR WE KNOW AN IDOL IS WITHOUT EXISTENCE. I WILL REPEAT THIS ONE
FOR THE BENEFIT OF REINEE AND HARLAN
1 COR 8:4 "can we, then, eat from offering to the idols? WE KNOW THAT
The glory and praise of God can never be given to these idols which represent nothing and which are non existent and never existed but only a creation of ones imagination.
Isaiah 44:13-20 - this man cut down a three sculpted an image which he made his GOD out of his own imagination- and made the image he created - and asked the carved image to rescue him for that very image which does not have any existence at all but a product of his very OWN imagination HE MADE A god out of it.
Our image of Jesus Christ cannot represent the invisible and the incomprehensible God. But the incarnation of the Son of God and who lived
with us HAS USHERED IN A NEW ECONOMY OF IMAGES.
PREVIOUSLY GOD, WHO HAS NEITHER A BODY NOR A FACE. ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT BE
REPRESENTED BY AN IMAGE, BUT NOW THAT HE HAS MADE HIMSELF IN THE FLESH AND HAS LIVED WITH MEN. MEN CAN NOW MAKE AN IMAGE OF WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN OF GOD
AND CONTEMPLATE TO THE GLORY OF THE LORD, HIS FACE UNVEILED.
1 COL 1:15 "CHRIST IS THE IMAGE OF THE UNSEEN GOD"
INC = tao LANG
ReplyDeleteADD = tao RIN
they should not debate? malaki pagkakaiba nun.
catholic = kahoy