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Friday, January 15, 2010
JESUS IS NOT A TRUE MAN BY ELI SORIANO AS TOLD BY MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ
JOCELYN -
PALAGAY KO KAYO NA ANG MAGUSAP DITO NI MICHEAL RYAN
ISANG ADD NA AVID FAN NI SORIANO- GRADUATE NG SORIANO UNIVERSITY SA APALIT
ISANG BAGONG THEOLEGIAN - GENETIC SCIENTIST AT ABOGADO PA-
A PRACTIONER OF SORIANOLOGY
"WHAT IS SAID TODAY IS DIFFERENT FROM YESTERDAY AND WILL BE DIFFERENT AGAIN TOMORROW"
TANDAAN NYO YAN- ALTHOUGH ANG KAUNA UNAHANG DOCTRINA NI SORIANO TO VALIDATE HIS CLAIM
AS AN ORGANIZATION ASIDE FROM THE ONE WITH THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE AND COMMISSION BEING A
REGISTERED CULT WHOSE NATURE OF BUSINESS IS TO PROPAGATE THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST IS THIS:
"THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THIS AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THAT" ANG MGA PARI AY BOBO AT LAHAT NG GINAGAWA NG
KATOLIKO AY MALI- PERO WALANG MAPATUNAYAN IF CONFRONTED - MAG TATAGO- MAG HAHAMON AT MAG TATAGO DIN PALA
KASI NGA WALA SIYANG DOCTRINANG NAKASULAT- HINDI KASI MARUNONG MAGSULAT AT HINDI MAGSUSULAT PARA MABAGO
NANAMAN NIYA- AT SISIGAW NG HINDI YAN! HINDI YAN! NG MAIPIT SIYA NG INC SA NAPAKA WALANG KA KWENTA KWENTANG
PAKSA- ANG BESO BESO. SA YABANG KASI NITO AT SA DAMI NG PALIWANAG SA BESO BESO- HINDI TULOY NIYA MALAMAN KUNG
ANO ANG ISASAGOT NIYA.
LAHAT GALING SA BIBIG NIYA NA NAG CHA CHA CHA MAGALAW - MEANING
PABAGO BAGO , STEP TO THE LEFT AND STEP TO THE RIGHT ,ATRAS ABANTE . BULTO BULTO ITONG MGA KONTRAHANG MGA ITO - AT
ITO AY MGA NASA CD BINABASAG PARA HINDI SIYA MAQUOTE MULA NG TINIKTIKAN SIYA NG INC
AT INATAKE SA KANILANG PROGRAMA SA NET 25. AT ANG PALUSOT NIYA- AY ILAGAY NA LANG SA CD PARA BABASAGIN
NA LANG - GIVING HIM THE LICENSE TO SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS WHICH IS NOW VERY EVIDENT IN WHAT THIS MICHAEL
IS SAYING
NOW LET US LOOK AT THE REASONING OF THIS NEW GENETIC SCIENTIST, LAWYER, OB GYNE DAHIL SA
MAY ALAM PA ITO SA REPRODUCTIVE CAPABILITY NG TAO AND ALSO A COMEDIAN ESTE THEOLEGIAN DAW
BY THE NAME OF MICHAEL RYAN
ANG ARGUMENT NI MICHAEL
Jocelyn my answer is for you. Correction po, Jesus Christ did not took the flesh and blood of Mary. Yes His human
body was born out of Mary but the body was not from Mary. Read what the Angel Gabriel said in Luke 1:34-35. The
body of the Lord Jesus Christ is not because of Mary but because of the power of the Holy Spirit sent to her from
God.Malinaw pong nasa talata na sinabi ni Gabriel, " ang banal na bagay na ipanganganak ay tatawaging Anak ng
Dios." Yun pong banal na bagay na tinutukoy ay yun pong NASA katawan na ipanganganak at hindi po yung katawang
ipanganganak. Ang nasa katawan po ay ang Cristo na Anak ng Dios. I personally believe po na hindi ito dahil sa DNA
ni Mary dahil naturally, kailangan pong may "makilala biblically o magsama" ang isang babae at lalake para magka-
anak at magtaglay ng DNA nila. Si Mary po mismo ang nagsabi na kailanman, wala po syang nakilalang lalaki. We have
to remember po na the Holy Spirit can also create because He came from God. And since the body of the Lord Jesus
Christ came to be not because of DNA but because of the power of the Holy Spirit according to the Bible, lalo po
nitong pinatitibay ang aking pananampalataya na ang Panginoong Jesucristo po ay HINDI tunay na tao. SYA PO AY DIOS
NA NAGKATAWANG TAO. Salamat po Jocelyn sa comment mo.
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TEEWEE'S COMENT
ON THE ABOVE STATEMENT OF THIS GENETIC SCIENTIST MICHAEL
UNANG UNA MICHAEL ANG TAMANG INGLIS AY "JESUS CHRIST DID NOT TAKE hindi did not "took"- dahil past tense na ang
verb na "DID" NA GINAMIT MO- magaral ka muna ng tamang English- sa isang GRAMMATICIAN sabi ni SORIANO
BALIKWAS KA NANAMAN SA SINABI MO- "YES HE IS HUMAN" - O HUMAN NAMAN PALA- SA previous statement mo sabi mo hindi-
dahil ba baka banatan ka ni JOCELYN isang ADD DIN-
STATEMENT NI MICHAEL
"but the body was not from MARY" - AH KUNG GANUN- kanino nanggaling ang katawan mo? saan ka nanggaling ha MICHAEL-
putok ka ba sa buho- your BODY IS NOT FROM YOUR MOTHERS WOMB? -
TEEWEE COMMENT
ang holy spirit ba buong katawan ang inilagay nito sa sinapupunan ni MARIA? - AT GINAWA LANG NA INCUBATION WOMB
ANG KAY MARY?-
WALA NAMANG SINABI SA GOSPEL NA MAY DALANG KATAWAN ANG ANGEL- PARA IPA INCUBATE SA WOMB NI MARY - MERON BA
gaano ka tagal MICHAEL? PARANG MANOK ANO?
tapos born of MARY? - ANONG SAGOT ITO? nagmana ka na kay eli kinontra mo na ang sinabi mo agad.
ANOTHER DISASTROUS STATEMENT OF MICHAEL
Read what the Angel Gabriel said in Luke 1:34-35. The body of the Lord Jesus Christ is not because of Mary but
because of the power of the Holy Spirit sent to her from God.Malinaw pong nasa talata na sinabi ni Gabriel, " ang
banal na bagay na ipanganganak ay tatawaging Anak ng Dios." Yun pong banal na bagay na tinutukoy ay yun pong NASA
katawan na ipanganganak at hindi po yung katawang ipanganganak.
COMMENT NI TEEWEE
NGAYON HINDI NA TAO O DIYOS ANG ITINAWAG NI MICHAEL KAY BABY JESUS NA NASA TIYAN NI MARIA-
ITO AY ISA NG BAGAY NGAYON- JUST A THING- NAPAKABASTOS TALAGA NITO-
ANG ISANG BAGAY TAKE NOTE ISANG BANAL NA BAGAY AY TATAWAGING DIYOS- ANG DIYOS AY BAGAY NA LANG PALA - HINDI AKO
MATIGIL SA KATATAWA SA COMEDIAN NA ITO JUST LIKE HIS TEACHER.
IT TAKES THE MIND OF AN IDIOT to UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IDIOT IS SAYING BECAUSE I CAN NOT REALLY DECIPHER WHAT THIS IDIOT IS SAYING.
CAN YOU?
MICHAEL THE COMEDIAN AN ADD WRITES
" Yun pong banal na bagay na tinutukoy ay yun pong NASA katawan na ipanganganak at hindi po yung katawang
ipanganganak."
TEEWEE COMMENT
SO SA PALIWANAG NITO NI MICHEAL AY MAY BANAL NA BAGAY PALA NA KASAKASAMA ANG KATAWAN NI JESUS SA SINAPUPUNAN NI
MARIA?
NA HINDI NAMAN NIYA MAIPALIWANAG KUNG ANO ITO KASI TINAWAG LANG NA DIYOS- ANOTHER MALABO NANAMAN ITO
SO NANGANGAHULUGAN ANG KATAWN NI JESUS AY HINDI BANAL- ANG HINDI BANAL AT BANAL AY NGAYON NAGSAMA NA-
SO PWEDE NGAYON GUMAWA ANG KATAWAN NG MASAMA DAHIL HINDI ITO BANAL-
GUMAWA PALA ANG DIYOS NG KATAWAN NA HINDI TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ANO? AT KATAWAN PA NA GINAMIT NI JESUS
AT HINDI ITO BANAL- KAY JESUS PA ANG HINDI BANAL- YUNG BAGAY LANG DAW- NA HINDI MAIPALIWANAG
ANG BANAL NA BAGAY SA KATAWAN NI JESUS AY MAY SARILING PAGIISIP SA KATAWAN NIYA NA HINDI BANAL- AT PWEDE ITONG
HUMIWALAY SA KANYA KAHIT NA KELAN- AT ANO NAMAN ANG KALALABASAN NG KATAWAN NI JESUS PAG ITO HUMIWALAY-
SINO KAYA ITONG KATAWAN NA ITO- ANO BA ANG TUNAY NA PAGKATAO NITO? baka si ZOMBIE? katawan lang kasi NA HINDI BANAL walang kaluluwa, MABUBUHAY BA ITO PAG INIWANAN NG BANAL NA BAGAY-
ANO NAMAN ANG PAGKATAO NITONG KALALABASAN NITO PAG NAWALA ANG BANAL NA BAGAY NA SINASABI NI MICHAEL-
ITO BA AY TATAYO AT MAKAKAUSAP DIN O MAG COCOLAPSE NA LANG PAG NAWALA ANG BANAL NA BAGAY- ANO NAMAN
ANG SASABIHIN NIYA ANG PANAGALAN NIYA- KASI YUNG TATAWAGIN JESUS NA DIYOS AY PWEDIN HUMIWALAY SA KATAWAN NA ITO
HINDI NAMAN ITO NAGSALITA SA GOSPEL AT NAGPAKILALA KUNG SINO SIYA- KILALANG KILALA yata NI ELI SORIANO ITO-
YOU GO YOUR WAY ANG I GO MY WAY PAG SIGURO NAGUUSAP ANG BANAL NA BAGAY SA KATAWANG ISINOUT NIYA. GANON ANG GUSTONG
IPALABAS NI SORIANO- PARANG KOTSENG SINAKYAN LANG.
O KAYA ISANG KATAWAN NA MAY ZIPPER AT ISINOOT LANG NG BANAL NA BAGAY NA TINAWAG NA DIYOS!!!
KAYA ANG LAHAT NG SINABI NI JESUS SA GOSPEL AY GALING SA BANAL NA BAGAY AYON KAY MICHAEL
EH ANO NAMAN ANG IPINAKO MICHAEL? ANG KATAWAN LANG PALA-
ANG BANAL NA BAGAY AY NAKILITI LANG ITO DAHIL HINDI ITO NAKARANAS NG LUPIT NA GINAWA SA KATAWAN-NA TINAWAG NA
KATAWANG ISINOUT LANG NI JESUS-
NAPAKALUPIT PALA NG DIYOS- GUMAWA NG ISANG ZOMBIE NA KATAWAN PARA PAGLARUAN AT BIGYAN LAHAT NG KAHIRAPAN BEYOND A
HUMAN MIND CAN IMAGINE TAPOS DRAMA LANG PALA- WALANG PERSONALIDAD- DAHIL KATAWAN LANG ITO
HINDI DIN PALA NABAYARAN ANG PAGKAKAUTANG NG SANGKATAUHAN SA KANYA DAHIL PEKE PALA ANG PINAMBAYAD NIYA.
TUMATANGGAP PALA ANG DIYOS NG PEKENG KABAYARAN.
HINDI PALA NATUTUBOS ANG SANGKATAUHAN KUNG GANON-
EH MICHAEL BAKIT NUNG UMAKYAT SI JESUS SA LANGIT- HINDI NIYA IPINARK ANG KOTSENG GINAMIT NIYA O KATAWANG ISINOOT
NIYA HINDI NIYA HINANGER MUNA -
BAKIT ISINAMA NIYA ANG KATAWAN NIYA SA LANGIT?
TANDAAN MO NOTHING UNCLEAN CAN ENTER HEAVEN- AT HINDI BANAL ANG KATAWAN NI JESUS- SO NO ENTRY TO HEAVEN-
EH UMAKYAT ANG KATAWAN EH- HINDI INIWANAN
BAKA NAMAN NAGPA CARWASH NA YUNG KOTSE - O NALIGO NG HUSTO ANG KATAWAN NA GINAMIT NI JESUS
ANO KAYA SA TINGIN NINYO?
MGA KAIBIGAN- KAYO NA LANG PO ANG MAGBIGAY NG MGA KATANUNGAN NINYO DAHIL HINDI AKO MATIGIL SA KATATAWA SA SINABI
NG TAONG SI MICHAEL NA ITO
SI MARIA NAMAN AY ISANG DELIVERY VAN LANG - NG MAIDELIVER ANG BANAL BAGAY AT NA PANGANAK ANG KATAWAN AY TAPOS NA ANG PAPEL NIYA
GANUN PO LALABAS ANO
GANYAN BA ANG PAGIISIP NG MGA KASAPI SA INYO JOCELYN??
IKAW JOCELYN HINDI BA BANAL ANG KATAWAN MO?- A TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT- IKAW NA ANG TINANONG KO PARA MAKAKUHA
AKO NG MATINONG SAGOT. BAKA MAHAWA AKO KAY MICHEAL EH. BUTI PA ANG MGA KATAWAN NATIN TEMPLE OF THE HLY SPIRIT
AT BANAL- KAY JESUS HINDI ITO BANAL, YUNG BAGAY LANG AT ITANONG MO KAY MICHAEL ANO IYON.
ANOTHER DISASTROUS STATEMENT THIS TIME COMING FROM THE GENETIC SCIENTIST MICHAEL RYAN THE COMEDIAN
I personally believe po na hindi ito dahil sa DNA ni Mary dahil naturally, kailangan pong may "makilala
biblically o magsama" ang isang babae at lalake para magka-anak at magtaglay ng DNA nila. Si Mary po mismo ang
nagsabi na kailanman, wala po syang nakilalang lalaki. We have to remember po na the Holy Spirit can also create
because He came from God. And since the body of the Lord Jesus Christ came to be not because of DNA but because of
the power of the Holy Spirit according to the Bible, lalo po nitong pinatitibay ang aking pananampalataya na ang
Panginoong Jesucristo po ay HINDI tunay na tao. SYA PO AY DIOS NA NAGKATAWANG TAO. Salamat po Jocelyn sa comment
mo.
TEEWEES COMMENT ON THE STATEMENT OF THIS COMEDIAN GENETIC SCIENTIST WHICH IS MICHAEL
STATEMENT NI MICHEAL NA ISANG GENETIC SCIENTIST NAMAN DAW
" I personally believe po na hindi ito dahil sa DNA ni Mary dahil naturally, kailangan pong may "makilala
biblically o magsama" ang isang babae at lalake para magka-anak at magtaglay ng DNA nila. Si Mary po mismo ang
nagsabi na kailanman, wala po syang nakilalang lalaki."
TEEWEE'S REPLY
"KAILANGANG DAW MAY MAKASAMA ANG ISANG BABAE BIBLICALLY-"
michael-
kaya nga ibinigay ni JESUS SI JOSEPH - KAY MARIA AT IPINASABI SA ANGEL NA IPINADALA NIYA
PARA SAMAHAN NIYA SI MARIA- BECAUSE UNMARRIED WOMEN UNDER THE MOSAIC LAW THAT ARE IMPREGNATED
AND CONCEIVES A CHILD WILL BE STONED TO DEATH ADULTERY ANG KASALANAN MO. AND JOSEPH WHO WAS A RIGHTEOUS MAN KNOWS THIS - AND EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS THAT IT WAS NOT HIS CHILD THAT MARY WAS CARRYING HE DECIDED TO TAKE MARY AS HIS WIFE. - BECAUSE OF THE HARSH MOSAIC LAW.
ANG DNA AY ANG SIYANG NAGBIBIGAY NG STRUCTURA NG ISANG FETUS NASA SA SINAPUPUNAN NA DINADALA NG ISANG NANAY
KUNG ANO ANG MAGIGING ANYO NITO AT AT ANG MGA CHARACTERISTICS NG IKALALABAS NG BATA AT SA PAGLAKI NITO AYON SA
PINAGTUBUAN NITONG SINAPUPUNAN-
ANG HINDI LANG NAIBIBIGAY NG DNA AY AY MAGIGING GENDER NITO-
DIYOS NA ANG TANUNGIN MO KUNG BAKIT BABAE O LALAKI ANG LALABAS NA FETUS. ITANONG MO NA DIN KAY SORIANO KUNG
BAKIT LALAKI O BABAE ANG LALABAS- AT ITANONG MO NA DIN KUNG BAKIT MAY MGA BAKLANG LUMALABAS O TOMBOY KAYA.
ALAM MO NAMAN YAN- HE KNOWS EVERYTHING WRONG EH.
KAYA IBIGAY MO SA AKIN ANG TALATANG ISANG FETUS NA GINAWA NG HOLY SPIRIT AT YUN ANG IPINUNLA NG ANGEL
SA TIYAN NI MARIA PARA HINDI ITO MAGTAGLAY NG DNA NI MARIA- ANTAYIN KO ANG TALATA MO GAGO
WALANG IMPOSSIBLE SA DIYOS NA KILALA KO KAY MAY BABAE O LALAKI PARA SA PROCREATION NG SANKATUHAN MAGAGAWA NIYA
KAHIT NA NGA WALANG BABAE O LALAKE MAKAKAGAWA SIYA NG TAO- SA PAMAMGITAN NG LUPA GUMAWA SIYA NG TAO-
KAHIT NA NGA WALANG LUPA MAKAKAGAWA SIYA NG TAO.
DOON NALAMAN NI MARIA NA KAHIT NA WALANG LALAKE AY MAKAPAGBUBUNTIS SIYA- AT KAHIT NA DELIKADO ANG MAGBUNTIS SIYA
DAHIL SA BATAS- HINDI NAG ALINLANGAN SI MARIA AT SUMANGAYON SIYA AGAD SA IBINALITA NG ANGEL- DAHIL SA LAKI NG
PANANAMPALATAYA NIYA AT PUNONG PUNO SIYA NG GRASYA NG DIYOS- AT HINDI SIYA NATATAKOT GAYA NI SORIANO
KAYA "OO" AGAD ANG SINAGOT NIYA NA WALANG ALINLANGAN.
IF GOD IS WITH MARY YOU WHO CAN BE AGAINST HER-
ANOTHER DISASTROUS STATEMENT OF MICHAEL THE GENETIC SCIENTIST
"We have to remember po na the Holy Spirit can also create
because He came from God. And since the body of the Lord Jesus Christ came to be not because of DNA but because of
the power of the Holy Spirit according to the Bible, lalo po nitong pinatitibay ang aking pananampalataya na ang
Panginoong Jesucristo po ay HINDI tunay na tao. SYA PO AY DIOS NA NAGKATAWANG TAO. Salamat po Jocelyn sa comment
mo."
TEEWEE REPLY
BEFORE JESUS WENT TO HEAVEN- HE SAID THE PARACLETE OR THE HOLY SPIRIT - THE GUIDE TO THE TRUTH AND THE GIVER OF
LIFE-
SA GENESIS PA LANG MABABASA NA ITO- GOD BREATHED THE HOLY SPIRIT INTO THE NOSTRILS OF ADAM THAT HE CREATED FROM DUST AND IMMEDIATELY IT CAME TO LIFE.
SO EVERY HUMAN BEING THAT HAS LIFE CAME FROM GOD BECAUSE IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE STARTING FROM
ADAM WHICH WAS BREATHED TO HIS NOSTRILS- THE HOLY SPIRIT THE GIVER OF LIFE SABI NI JESUS HEHEH
IT IS NOT THE DNA THAT GIVES LIFE BUT THE SOUL THAT IS GIVEN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT THE GIVER OF LIFE-
ONCE A BODY DIES THE SOUL LEAVES THE BODY AND RETURNS TO GOD TO BE JUDGED- IT IS UP TO GOD TO RETURN
THAT SOUL THAT WILL MAKE THE BODY LIVE AGAIN-
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD-
HE CAN MAKE HIMSELF HUMAN EVEN WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF A HUMAN PARENT OR BEING CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB-
SINCE WALANG AMA SI JESUS NA KAHATI SA KATAWAN NIYA MEANING NO CONTRIBUTION FROM A HUMAN FATHER
JESUS WAS CONCEIVED IN THE HUMAN BODY OF MARY - SO THEREFOR ALL THE DNA OF JESUS IN HIS FLESH
CAME FROM MARY- AND DNA IS THE PROGRAM OF A HUMAN BODY THAT WILL GUIDE THE HUMAN BODY AS TO SHAPE AND THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HUMAN DONOR HIS PARENTS AS IT DEVELOPES IN THE WOMB AND OUTSIDE THE BODY AS IT GROWS INTO
ADULTHOOD
TAKING THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HUMAN DONOR OR ITS PARENT WHICH WILL BE EVIDENT IN THE PROCREATED
BODY THAT WAS CONCEIVED IN HER WOMB.
HINDI NAMAN PO SINAKSAK ANG FETUS NI JESUS NG ANGEL KAY MARIA ANG FETUS NA GALING SA LANGIT NA GUSTONG
PALABASIN NI MICHAEL SA ARGUMENTO NIYA- BAKIT DADAAN PA SA PAGKA BABY SI JESUS- BAKIT HINDI NA LANG
ISANG ADULT AGAD- HINDI BA MAGAGAWA ITO NG DIYOS- NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH HIM
AS DEMONSTRATED BY ELIJAH WHO PRAYED TO GOD FOR THE RETURN OF THE SOUL OF THE DEAD BOY- I KINGS 17:21-22
ITONG ATING GENETIC SCIENTIST CUM COMEDIAN NA SI MICHAEL AY MALI MALI NANAMAN KASI ANG AMO NIYA AY
PARATING MALI
HINDI DIN MAIPALIWANAG NI GENIUS MICHAEL ANG BANAL NA BAGAY NA IBINIGAY NG ESPIRITU SANTO AT ITO AY TINAWAG
NA DIYOS
KUNG HINDI TUNAY NA TAO DIN SI JESUS SIYA AY TAU TAUHAN LANG PALA-
SA INC SI JESUS AY HINDI TUNAY NA DIYOS- AT KAY ELI NAMAN NA NAKIKITA SA PANGANGATWIRAN NI MICHAEL
SI JESUS AY HINDI TUNAY NA TAO- ANO NAMAN KAYA ITONG HINDI TUNAY NA TAO?
PLASTIC BA ITO O SYNTHETIC O ZOMBIE O ISANG MUTANT-
GAYA NG SINABI NI FIX ME- NAGUGUTOM - UMIYAK- NALUNGKOT- DINUGO - AT NAMATAY- AT NAGAGALAK
ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF A HUMAN BEING- AT NAPAPATAY DIN ANG KATAWAN NIYA-
TSK TSK-
HINDI TUNAY NA TAO SA ADD - SA INC HINDI TUNAY NA DIYOS-
EH NAGKITA SILA SA GITNA- PAREHO PALA ANG PANIWALA NILA- BAKLA AND PANIWALA NILA-
SO THERE IS SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH THE TWO HINDI NILA ALAM AT NAG AAWAY PA SILA-
MEDYO MEDYO -
ANG DIYOS NAGBIGAY NG PEKENG TAO NA SI JESUS KASI HINDI TUNAY SABI NI SORIANO AT NI MICHAEL
ANG HILIG NINYO SA PEKE- GALING SA PEKENG MANGANGARAL
NGAYON JOCELYN SANGAYON KA BA SA PALIWANAG NG KASAMA MO O HINDI-
NGAYON KUNG SANG AYON KA -
IKAW KAYA ANG MAGPALIWANAG KASI HINDI NAMIN MAINTINDIHAN AT WALANG KA LOHICA LOHICA ANG SINABI NITONG
MICHAEL NA ITO
SUBUKAN MO NAMAN KAYANG IPALIWANAG ANG HINDI TUNAY NA PAGKATAO NI JESUS BAKA KAYA MO -
PARANG SECOND OPINION KA NAMAN OKAY
MERON SUSUNOD PA
MICHAEL PASISIKATIN KITA SA BUONG MUNDO DAHIL SA KATWIRANG MONG YAN SA BLOG
PAG HINDI KA ININTINDI - EH SORI NA LANG ME DIPERENSIYA KA NA SIGURO
COZ THEY DID NOT TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY OR YOU ARE A BIG JOKE
ANG KATWIRAN NG ISANG ADD SA FACEBOOK NA SI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ
STATEMENT NI MICHAEL RYAN
Oo bagsak ang science mo dahil hindi bituka ang nagdudugtong ng sanggol sa ina nya.Siguro po mag-aral ka ng anatomy kasi wala yan sa biology, ang tawag sa yo PANGAHAS NA WALANG NALALAMANG ANUMAN KUNDI MAY SAKIT SA MGA USAPAN.Magmamarunong ka lang po eh palpak pa. Sa sinoman po na sincere sa paghanap ng totoo, eto po ang sagot ng kapatid na Eli na sagot ko rin, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXfHA-wl9qI at sa tanong po naisa pa, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzhcCGwAfo8&feature=relat ed
TEEWEE's COMMENT
NAMIMILOSOPO LANG PO SI MICHAEL RYAN SA ISINAGOT NG ISANG KATOLIKO NA SI FIX ME - ANG IBIG SABIHIN NITO
NA MAGKARUGTONG ANG BITUKA NG INA AT SANGGOL SA SINAPUPUNAN AY ANG INA KUNG DI KAKAIN HINDI DIN KAKAIN ANG BATA-
AT PAREHO SILANG MAMAMATAY- TINALUNAN NA LANG NITONG MICHAEL ANG PAGKAKATAON DAHIL IPIT NA IPIT NA ITONG
SUPER TALINONG TAONG ITO SA KATWIRAN NIYA
YUN LANG PO ANG IBIG NIYANG SABIHIN - KASI ANG WALANG KATWIRAN AT UBOS NA
PATI TUTONG FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING AY KINAKAIN NA DIN. KAYA PATI TUTONG SA SINAING AY PINATULAN NA NI MICHAEL
RYAN.
yung mga succeeding comment niya ay litanya nananman niya at paniwalang paniwala siya na ligtas na ligtas na siya sa langit.
Thursday, January 14, 2010
Is Christ A Man Or God?
ITO ANG SABI NG NG KANYANG MEMBER NA SI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ. BASAHIN PO NATIN.
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.A person who denies this is a liar to himself, 1 John 2:22-23 and is an antichrist.For those who doubt this, please allow an understanding I learned from my preachers, Brother Eli and Brother Daniel.Christ existed with God the Father even before there was time.He spoke of this in Proverbs 8:22-31 as the Wisdom of God. Now to further prove it, 1 Corinthians 1:24 says Christ is the power and the wisdom of God.This person who is speaking is the Wisdom of God, who is also Christ, said in verse 22 " The Lord(God the Father) possessed me(Christ) in the beginning of His way, BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD( Nothing was there except the 2 of them, The Father and the Son). Truly a person to be present with God the Father whenever it was, can only be a person like Himself, a God.
I'm sorry.But from what I've learned, you will not find a verse in the Bible that Jesus Christ is true God AND TRUE MAN. What you will find is, the Lord Jesus Christ is a true God who came in the flesh and coming IN the flesh does not mean that HE is flesh like man. A simple logic, When you come to a place using a car, you came there IN the car, you are not the car. I'm sorry, I understand you, I was once a catholic and believed what you believe about Christ. But I thank God for opening my understanding to His teachings through the preachings of Bro. Eli Soriano and Bro. Daniel Razon. I was once blind but now I can see!
I thank God for giving me the chance to see what I formerly don't see, to know the truth from lies but most importantly to be able to live the rest of my life in His service. People around the world are still seeking for the answers to the questions, " What is the meaning of life or essence of living in this world? What is my purpose? Where am I heading and what is the end? What lies ahead of my journey, what am I destined to be?Etc...?" God gave me the answers to these questions through the preachings of Brother Eli Soriano and Brother Daniel Razon. And knowing the answer to these questions people of all walks of life were striving to know, are, I would say, gifts from God that should be lived and kept in faith.
We in the Church of God are blessed to have the only God-send preachers in this time. To learn from their teachings, whether by their lectures or the examples of their lives. I can confidently,contently, and faithfully say that every detail in the lives of Brother Eli Soriano and Brother Daniel Razon is part of God's teachings of the Gospel, nothing goes to waste. Even when at times they don't speak, just by mere looking at their works, God is still teaching us of goodness, holiness and righteousness,may not be written literally in the Bible, but is through the working of the Holy Spirit Who dwells in them. The work of God's Spirit in them is without measure.
I'm sorry to say this but you are wrong. You used John 1:14 wrongly. If I will follow your logic here, you said, "here in this verse the God became flesh!!and human has flesh.. so therefore Jesus is Human also.." it will be misleading. Why? because based on your claim that human HAS flesh and God became flesh, it will led to the conclusion that God is human? I'm sorry, but your logic is wrong. Not all logic is logical, I learned from my preachers that illogical logic is called fallacy. Claiming that the Lord Jesus Christ is God and also human is wrong. John 1:14 said that the WORD became flesh...I would like to share what Brother Eli said once, "Being able to read a verse should not lead you to the conclusion that it is the content of the whole Bible, it's just a verse and not the whole Bible." Seeing the tip of an iceberg from afar doesn't mean that what you saw is the actual size of the iceberg, it's a lot bigger at the bottom.
My point is not because you read John 1:14, doesn't mean that what you think is the actual truth of it. Actually, based on the wordings you used, my answer is there, "And the Word BECAME flesh..." So the Word is not flesh, He just BECAME flesh. The original greek word for this is GINOMAI which means to cause to be or to become. When you say "to cause to be" it means CHANGE. I hope you understand that. When the Word became flesh, the Word underwent change to be in the flesh but not that He is flesh. Why does this have to be necessary? Based on what I've learned from my preachers, Christ has to undergo change for the flesh body to contain Him. Remember, Christ is also a God and being in that nature, He is far glorious than all creations. And He used that flesh body as a vehicle or vessel to teach man and to save us from our sins.
I'm not saying that you can just rely on my answer. NO! I'm just a worthless member in the Church of God who is sharing to you sincerely what I learned from my preachers. Brother Eli and Brother Daniel are the best persons to ask your questions because they are the messengers of God. I'm just a nobody.
I'm sorry Kuroro, I'm not in the position to discuss with you.Just like what I said awhile ago, I'm just a member in the Church of God, a nobody. I'm not a malapert kind of person. It's useless to discuss or share the gospel to people who are not looking for answers for the reason of the hope that is in the Church of God. I noticed that you are just asking for useless talk, I'm sorry but I have no time for that. I sense that whatever verse or information we share to you, you will just insist your own so called "theology".
In situations such as this, God commanded us, " But shun profane babblings: for they will proceed further in ungodliness, and their word will eat as doth a gangrene:" and " But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes." 1 Timothy 2:16-17, 23.
Our God is commanding us to refuse foolish and ignorant questionings, like yours. If you want a debate or discussion, tell your pastor, preist or whatever you call your religious leaders to challenge our preacher in the Church of God, Brother Eli Soriano. I'm sorry if they will just disappoint you, they will not and will never come out to defend your faith.
I'm so sorry again Kuroro, please let me correct the verse I gave you. It's from 2 Timothy 2:16-17,23. May I site again a verse that is not far from the previous verses. Please look at 2 Timothy 2:14, " Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they strive not about words, to no profit, to the subverting of them that hear."
The intent of not involving ourselves to foolish and ignorant questionings that lead to strife is for the benefit of those that hear, not to be the cause of their downfall. And also it's for our benefit in the Church of God, in that by not involving ourselves to such, we will not err from the truth and will also not cause the overthrow of the faith of some of our members. It's in 2 Timothy 2:17-18, " and their word will eat as doth a gangrene: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; men who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some." With God's help and guidance, I will not intend and follow in the examples of these evil people, Hymenaeus and Philetus.
I hope you understand. If you are asking for reason or righteousness, or the hope that we have in the Church of God, I will gladly spare some of my time and share what I've learned from my preachers, Brother Eli Soriano and Brother Daniel Razon.
TEEWEE'S ANSWER:
michael you have no argument whatsoever-
you are just beating around the bush and citing eli soriano-
WHERE IS THE BEEF OF YOUR ARGUMENT? you cited a long one
but what is your point-?
You analogy is even very poor - Jesus did not come LIKE A CAR
If jesus did not come int the flesh the crucifixion is just a big moro moro thing
JESUS WAS NOT HURT IN FACT HE WAS TICKLED- BECAUSE YOU WILL NOW BE
SAYING HE IS GOD AND CAN ISOLATE THE PAIN- THEN YOU ARE AN ANTICHIRST
1 JOHN 4:2 how will you recognize the spirit of God? ANY SPIRIT RECOGNIZING JESUS AS THE CHRIST WHO HAS TAKEN OUR FLESH IS OF GOD.
YOUR ANALOGY OF YOU RIDING THE CAR IS ABSURD- AND HORRIBLE
WHEN THE CARS MOTOR FAILS TO RUN- DO YOU ALSO SAY YOU CAN NOT WALK- NO YOU GET OUT OF IT AND ASK FOR A MECHANIC OR HAVE IT TOWED- ANG LAYO PARE KO- ANO BA YAN
TAKEN OUR FLESH- read the gospel of JOHN THE VERSE WAS GIVEN ALREADY
READ JOHN 1:1-18 - he has taken our flesh and lived with us-
Like a natural man- who gets hurt , sweats and cries- and bleeds
or ELSE THE CRUCIFIXION WILL BE THE GREATEST MOCKERY THAT GOD
HAS EVEN DONE TO HIS PEOPLE- MORO MORO LANG YAN- OR DRAMA
THE COVENANT HAS TO BE SEALED BY BLOOD- AND ALL COVENANTS WERE
HEALED BY THE BLOOD OF ANIMALS-
SINCE JESUS WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE LAST AND EVERLASTING
COVENANT WHICH WAS THE GOSPEL- DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING
HE SEALED IT HIMSELF BY HIS BLOOD- THE LAMB WHO WILL TAKE AWAY
THE SINS OF THE WORLD- AND NO OTHER COVENANT FOLLOWS-
NO MORE PROPHETS NO MORE ANGELS AND NO MORE APOSTLES THAT WILL COME- TO TEACH ANOTHER KIND OF GOSPEL- ONLY THE ONE THAT HE LAID
READ 1 COR 3:10-15- THE FOUNDATION LAID BY CHRIST AND NO ONE SHOULD LAY ANOTHER
AND LUKE 16:16 no more prophets and no more mosaic law
IN FACT IT IS YOU WHO MUST BE AVOIDED- YOU ARE GIVING STUPID
REASONS AND THE VERSE THAT YOU GAVE ON 2 TIMOTHY IT IS ABOUT
USELESS CONVERSATIONS- AND YOU JUST STARTED ONE STUPID CONVERSATION
THE ISSUE WAS ABOUT CHRIST AS MAN A NATURAL MAN TOO-
AND NOT JUST A BODY THAT HE WORE-
HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE VIRGIN MARY - AND GREW UP JUST LIKE
YOU AND ME-
HE HAD TWO INSEPARABLE NATURES -ONE OF MAN AND GOD-
EPH- "HE SHED HIS DIVINITY AND TOOK THE FORM OF SERVANT"pHIL 2:6-8
IF JESUS WERE NOT TRULY MAN - HE SHOULD HAVE SHED THAT BODY WHEN
HE WENT TO HEAVEN
IT IS LIKE YOU RIDING THE CAR AGAIN- THE JESUS SHOULD HAVE PARKED
THE CAR LEFT IT ANG WENT TO HEAVEN- NOW WHAT WILL YOU SEE
WHEN HIS SPIRIT IS INVISIBLE- YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION
HE IS TRULY GOD AND TRULY HUMAN
FOOLISH CONVERSATION? or are you used up na?
PROVING JESUS TO BE A MAN IS NOT A FOOLISH CONVERSATION-
IN FACT IT IS IN THE BIBLE- 1 JOHN 4:2
AND HOW MANY TIMES DID HE SAY THAT HE IS THE SON OF MAN TOO
i thinks it is a heresy the one of NESTORIUS- or the NESTORIAN HERESY
THAT YOU ARE TEACHING- TALO NA YAN
IN FACT THE JEWS BELIEVED THAT HE IS ONLY A MAN- AND THE SON
OF A CARPENTER AND BORN OF A WOMAN NAMED MARY-
BUT HE WAS ASKED THIS QUESTION-
"SO YOU ARE THE CHRIST THE SON OF GOD?"- AND HE SAID
YES YOU ARE RIGHT I AM" JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED BECAUSE OF THIS
AND THE IGLESIA NI MANALO ARE UNHAPPY BECAUSE JESUS SAID
HE IS THE SON OF GOD AND THE JEWS ALSO KNOWS THAT SON OF GOD
IS GOD
ON THE OTHER HAND- HAD THE QUESTION BEEN
SO YOU ARE THE CHRIST THE SON OF MARY-?" JESUS WILL JUST REPLY
YES I AM- BECAUSE HE IS THE SON OF MARY- AND JESUS IS NOT A LIAR
AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SET FREE- NO MORE CRUCIFIXION AND SATAN
IS HAPPY.
AND THE INC OF MANALO WILL BE HAPPY TOO
BUT THE SANHEDRIN WANTED TO TRAP HIM- SO THEY ASKED OF HIS
DIVINITY- WHICH HE DID REPLY BY SAYING HE IS GOD
NOW MARY COULD HAVE RUN TO THE SANHEDRIN AND SAID TO THEM
BECAUSE CRUCIFIXION IS SUCH A HORRIBLE DEATH- IT IS DEATH BY
DROWNING WITHOUT WATER BECAUSE YOUR LUNGS ARE COMPRESSED
AND A MOTHER WILL LIE JUST EXTRICATE HIS SON FROM THE JAWS
OF DEATH-
BUT THE MOTHER KNOWS THE ROLE OF JESUS TO SAVE MAN FROM
HELL- THAT IS WHY THE CRUCIFIXION HAS TO TAKE PLACE-
IF I AM BLOTTED FROM THIS GROUP- "I LOVE YOU JESUS" IS THE GROUP
JUST MEET ME THERE
TAKOT YANG MGA KASAMA MO THEY HAVE ABANDONED ALL THEIR GROUPS
THAT WE KNOW
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ:
Diego salamat po sa comment mo. Masasabi ko po, yung pong sinasabi mo ay interpretation lamang po ng mga pastor o ministro mong walang nalalamang anuman sa Panginoong Jusucristo. Sa nabasa ko po sa mga sinabi mo, hindi po katuwiran ang hinahanap mo kundi walang kabuluhang usapan na humahantong lamang po sa pagtatalo. I'm sorry, but what I said about Kuroro's intentions also applies to yours and my reply to him is the same with yours. Maintindihan mo man po o hindi, it's not my problem or obligation para magpaunawa sa mga tao pong hindi tatanggap ng paliwanag.
Hindi po ako narito para makipagtalo sa inyo ng mga kasama mo. I started with sharing light to the person who seems cannot understand what is being talked about and I stayed there. Then I noticed comments like yours na nag-aanyaya po ng pagtatalo, I'm very sorry. Kung gusto mo po ng diskusyon, kausapin mo po ang pastor mo na labanan ang kapatid na Eli sa diskusyon, sa TV, hindi po yung ikaw ang tatayo para sa kanya. Kung di ka naman po puno ng relehiyon, wala ka pong karapatan makipagtalo patungkol sa pananampalataya dahil TINUTURUAN KA LANG. Ang bagay na ito ay maluwag ko pong tanggap sa puso at sarili ko, ALAM KO PO KUNG SAAN AKO DAPAT LUMUGAR.
You sited 1 John 4:2, "This is how you can recognize God's Spirit: Every spirit who acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God."
Ang nakalagay po sa Bible, Jesus Christ has come IN THE FLESH hindi taken our flesh, ANG LAYO PARE MO. Kaya ka po naliligaw, gumagamit kayo ng translation na pabor lang po sa sarili nyong theology. Isa pa po, you are making me claim statements that you yourself said and I will never say. Sana po kung gusto mong mag-share at mag-dispute about what has been said, hwag mo po sanang i-dispute ang hindi naman po sinabi, at conlusion mo lang. Maniwala po kayo, kung sa totoong Korte po, talo ka po agad sa kaso dahil lalabas pong kasinungalingan ang inilalaban mo. I know this dahil po dito sa US, real court trials are being shown on TV at hindi man po kami experts, but we know the rules of argumentation. I'm sorry to say this pero honestly po, magulo po ang argumentation mo brother.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
BRO ANO PARATI KANG GANYAN PURO KWENTO LANG- HOW GOOD IS YOUR
INTERPRETATION - WHO AUTHORIZED YOU TO INTERPRET
TAKEN OUR FLESH- ANO BA YAN VERBAL ENGINEERIN NA BA YAN-
WHOSE FLESH DID HE TAKE-
DID HE NOT TAKE THE FLESH OF HIS MOTHER-
HE GREW INSIDE HIS MOTHERS WOMB
ABA ABOGADO KA BA?? sabihim mo nga kasi abogado ako
hiindi ka pala abogado - pagtatawanan ka lang ng huwes niyan
dishin out senseless ananlogies and interpretation-
tell me are you authorized to interpret- use the bible and tell me who are authorized-
akala mo magugulat mo ako
pastor ha- mga walang pinagaralan yan-
dun ka pumasok sa mga may pinagaraln
ilang versikulo lang eh akala mo me pinagaralan na
bro nambobola ka lang akala mo ba- natatawa ako sa mga pinagsasabi mo
this is an international forum- be careful of what you say
buti tinagalog mo- eh mapapahiya ka dian sa mga sinasabi mo-
ang haba haba ng mga sinasabi mo - walang laman
put beef in what you are sying ha
taken our flesh- became flesh- come into the flesh
are all the same in meaning- paiikutin mo pa ako
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ:
brother, salamat po ulit sa comment mo. Pasensya ka na po, kahit naman po kasi kumulo ang dugo mo, the readers know what I'm trying to point out, ikaw lang ang di nakakaunawa kasi po di ka tumatanggap ng paliwanag. Malinaw po ang sinasabi ko and from what I know, a person who doesn't engage to useless talk such as what you are doing, is wiser than your kind. We members in the Church of God are not discussing to cause trouble or stir the faith of our fellow members but just to share sincerely the hope that is in us, only when asked.
Kung sinasabi mo pong walang beef sa sinabi ko, sa yo lang po yun. The readers know and can discern my intentions, although maybe, you are not one of them that can discern. Brother, sorry po, hindi ko po ibibigay sa yo ang katuwiran ng Dios na sagot para yurakan mo lang. The clarity in the Word of God is not for all people. My recommendation to you is ask your own pastor, the same disputes you're asking me or if you're not content of their answers, then it's best that you ask the only sensible preacher in our time, Brother Eli Soriano.Yun po.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
haha si soriano ang pasagutin mo dito -
you have been beating around the bush - then take soriano and let him answer
him-
alm m wala kang nasasagot kanina pa eh
then what is the flesh of Jesus - iba nanaman ang pinasok mo
mukang naglolokohan lang yata tayo-
ah - ano kaya ang dugo ni Jesus bka synthethic blood-
tapos ang flesh niya soya beans extract ano-
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYANDELA CRUZ:
salamat po sa comment mo july. Pasensya ka na po pero yung sinabi mo po ay coupled ng tawa na walang karunungang sagot. You are mocking Christ and my preacher.Please, don't call me bro, hindi po tayo magkapatid.Sa mga kagaya mo po, wala po akong sagot na ibabahagi.yun po.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
ang logic mo malayo- ang analogy mo malayo-
then give me the meaning of this three according to you interpretation
jesus came into the flesh
became flesh
and has taken our flesh
I want you to give you meaning of the three above mr wise guy?
loko ka iniscratch mo pa ako ha-
You know i have pasted every thing here and will attack in in BLOG
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ:
Diego, you're going too far.You are already mocking My Lord Jesus Christ. Sana po yung kalokohan mo dalhin mo na lang sa bubble gang, mas patok ka doon at sa mga tulad mo. Like what I said, you cannot get an answer from me because you don't deserve it.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
YOU IDIOT YOU ARE THE ONE MOCKING JESUS CHRIST-
HINDI KITA KAPATID AT MABUTI SINABI MO WALA AKONG KAPATID NA DEMONYO
PURO KAYO KALOKOHAN SA MGA PINAGSASABI NINYO-
I DONT DESERVE IT? - I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET AN ANSWER FROM
YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE AN ANSWER
TO YOUR STUPID STATEMENTS- GOOD YOU ARE TALKING THAT WAY
IN TIME YOU WILL SEE THIS BLOGGED
GETZ MO HA
YOU WHAT - WHY DONT YOU TRY SELLING DVDs INSTEAD
THE WAY YOU REASON OUT AND SAY THINGS - ARE THE WAYS
OF THOSE WHO SELL DVDS IN GREENHILLS-
PATIGASAN NA TALAGA NG MUKHA ANO-
KAPAL MO
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ:
Hindi po, mali ka po ngh iniisip. Kunin mo po sana sa context ang sinabi ko. You started with mocking my Lord Jesus Christ and my preacher, kaya sinabi ko pong please, don't call me bro, hindi po tayo magkapatid. Whoever that has something evil to say about my God or my preacher is not a brother to me but an enemy. Makuntento ka po dyan.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
YOU SAID THE VERY EVIL THING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST ALREADY
DENYING THAT HE CAME INTO THIS WORLD AS A NORMAL MAN LIKE
EVERY NORMAL HUMAN CAN BE-
SIGE THEN EXPLAIN THE HUMANITY OF JESUS CHRIST-
WAG MO NA AKO PAIKUTIN KO KASI KUNG KAHARAP KITA SA DEBATE
EH ANG MGA TAO ME GAGAWIN NA SA IYO -
OK - SIGE IPALIWANAG MO ANG HUMANITY NI JESUS CHRIST
WHAT KIND OF FLESH DID HE TAKE AND THE BLOOD THAT HE HAS
SAGOT NI MICHAEL DELA CRUZ:
Diego, malinaw po ngayon sa akin na nandito ka sa discussion board para humanap ng taong pasasamain mo sa blog mo. Sana po mabago pa ang nasa isip mo bago ka magkasala ng malaki sa Dios. Hindi po ako natatakot sa gagawin mo, alam po namin na ang mga masasamang tao ay patuloy na gagawang may kasamaan at wala sa masasama na makakaunawa. Alam din po namin na hindi kayo titrigil sa pagpapasama sa daang matuwid ng Panginoon. Kung gagawin mo ito o hindi, magpapasalamat pa po ako ng marami sa aming Dios.
Again Diego, you cannot get any answer from me because you don't deserve it. I'm sorry.Sana po makuntento ka na sa sagot ko.Salamat po.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
IPAPAKITA KO LANG SA MUNDO ANG MGA KAGAGUHAN NINYO KAAWAY
DONT EVER MENTION THE NAME OF GOD YOU HAVE NO GOD!!!!!
HINDI KITA TINATAKOT
ANG MGA TAO ANG GAGAWA SA INYO DAHIL SA MGA KAGAGUHANG PINAGSASABI MO DITO KAAWAY
AH YAN ANG SABIHIN MO SA PUNO MO PARA HINDI SIYA NAGTATAGO
SA MGA KAAWAY NIYA
I WAS LOOKING FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND YOU REALLY ENTERTAINED
ME KAAWAY
YEAH YOU DID
YOU KNOW YOU BETTER HAVE YOURSELF CHECKED UP BY A SHRINK
AND FIND OUT IF YOUR STL OK WITH YOUR COCO UP THERE HUH
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ:
fix me your broken, sa katotohanan po, malinaw ang turo ng kapatid na Eli, sa mga taong binubuksan ng Dios ang unawa. Kung sa yo po hindi malinaw, may dahilan po ang Dios na Sya lamang ang nakakaalam. Again po, kung di po deserving ang taong humihingi ng sagot, di ko po ibibigay. Di po namin dinidios ang kapatid na Eli, malaki lamang po ang paggalang namin sa Kanya dahil Sya po ang sugo ng Dios. Kung di nyo po ito tanggap, makuntento na po sana kayo sa sinabi ko.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
AH SAAN SA BIBLE SINASABI NA ISINUGO SIYA NG DIYOS
SIGE KAAWAY TRY TO CNVINCE ME ON THIS ONE PARA ENTERTAINED NAMAN
AKO SA IYO-
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ:
Diego, you can mock me anytime you want. If the people will judge me according to your standards, then it favors you. But I personally believe that most people are wiser than your level. Basahin mo po ang mga sinabi mo sa akin then ask your conscience kung sa tingin mo nakakuha ka ng kaibigan o ng taong pasasamain sa blog mo.Ikaw lang po ang nagtuturing sa akin na kaaway. I"m sorry, but if you have problems with people who don't want to talk because they want to exercise not involving with useless argumentation, alam mo na po siguro kung sino ang dinidios mo at kaaway po ang hanap mo.You came to the wrong place sir. Better look some place else where they welcome people like you.Be content.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
AT MY LEVEL?
you know I HAVE TO DIG SO LOW IN THE GROUND JUST TO REACH YOUR LEVEL
YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING NOR REASON OUT WITH ANYTHING
YES I WILL BLOG EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID AND IN SEQUENCE
SO PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT HOW STUPID YOU ARE KAAWAY
PROBABLY THE WORLD WILL BE LAUGHING AT YOU WHEN THEY READ IT
YOU HAVE A FANTASTIC WAY OF TRYING TO BE SMART
BUT YOU OVERDID YOURSELF AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE COMEDY ALREADY-
WHOEVER YOU ARE - I KNOW HOW IT IS TO BE A PAID HACK-
IT IS A TOUGH WAY TO LIVE
DO YOU FIND IT HARD TO FIND A JOB? probably so-
BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE A FOOL
COME ON MAKE ME LAUGH MORE
SAGOT NI MICHAEL RYAN DELA CRUZ:
Sorry po again to both of you, you don't deserve the answer. Please be content with that. You can stop trying to convice me because I'm hard as a rock with what I stand for.You can say a lot of mockery or lies against me but you will still not get any answer from me.May the Lord God have mercy and enlighten you.Goodbye po.
SAGOT NI TEEWEE:
NO WHO SAID WE ARE OUT TO CONVINCE YOU
STAY PUT IN YOUR CULT-
WE DO NOT NEED YOU IN OURS ANYWAY
WE ARE ONLY SEEKING ENTERTAINMENT FROM YOU
AND YOU REALLY ARE A GOOD ENTERTAINER
SABI NI FIX ME:
si iNgkOng at iKAw ang HINDI DESERVING...
bAkit??? kaSi purO kaYO taKBO...
wahahahahaha!!!
kaPAg naSa deBAte si ingkong pUrO PAGMUMURA aaBUTin ng kaTungaLi...
kaHit sa ExPo ninYO pagMUMURA lang ang bUkam bibiG ng MAesTra mOh...
kawawa ka talga...
taHan nah sA pag-iYak mR.de la cRuz...
kAtoliKo pa yUng sUrname mOh...
naLokO ka sa isang maNLOLOKo...
cgE kita kitz baka mAy sagot ka kUng bAkit ang DioS maY pwet///??
ANO ANG MASASABI MO DITO ELI SORIANO? TULUNGAN MO ANG MIEMBRO MO PARA HINDI NAGMUMUKHANG KAWAWA.
Tuesday, January 12, 2010
THE CATHOLIC 'CRIME' OF CALLING PRIESTS 'FATHER'
If this passage was meant to be taken literally, then we all offend the Scripture. We all have used “father” to designate our birth father; and we refer to as “teacher,” our instructors at school. On the other hand, the meaning of the scripture is that no person should be given the respect and honor exclusive to God the Father.
* If we will follow the reasoning of the Anti-Catholics it means that the Protestants, Born Again, Iglesia ni Cristo, ADD who put the name of their biological parent in 'Father' on Birth Certificates and School records will go to hell because they have committed abominable crime against the Lord. They called someone 'father'! [What will they call their male parent then? Well, they can call them 'Dogs' if they want.] I'm not referring to them as dogs; I simply show the absurdity of their position.
BIBLICAL REASONS FOR CALLING VARIOUS PEOPLE ‘FATHER’
If the Protestant interpretation of Mt 23:9 is to be followed the entire GODHEAD SHALL BE DESTROYED!
1. THE FATHER ALMIGHTY Himself will be dishonored because He called people ‘father’. GOD THE FATHER IS GUILTY OF THE CATHOLIC CRIME.
Gen 12:1 He asked Abram to leave his father’s house.
Gen 17:5 He made Abraham father of many nations.
Gen 28:13 He called Abraham father of Jacob.
Ex 3:6 …I am the God of thy FATHER…
Ex 3:16 …say…The LORD God of your FATHERS…
Ex 20:12 HONOUR THY FATHER and thy mother… (Also, Dt 5:16)
Ex 22:17 If her FATHER utterly refuse to give her…
Ex 22:22 Ye shall not afflict any widow, or FATHERless.
Ex 40:15 …anoint them, as thou didst their FATHER…
Lev 18 Yahweh used ‘father’ for people 9 times.
Lev 19:3 Ye shall fear every man his… FATHER…
Num 12:16 If her (Miriam) FATHER had but spit in her face… (also in Num 13:2)
Jer 7: 7, 14, 18, 22, 25-26 Yahweh called people ‘fathers’ 6 times.
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand… [Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their FATHERS in the day I took them by the hand to lead them out of the Land of Egypt…]
Ezek 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your FATHERS; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
2. JESUS TOO WILL BE GUILTY OF THE CATHOLIC CRIME; He is violating His own word.
Mt 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the FATHER the child…
Mt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his FATHER…
Mt 10:37 He that loveth FATHER or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mt 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or FATHER…for my name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Lk 12:53 The FATHER shall be divided against the son, and the son against the FATHER…
Lk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his FATHER, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren…he cannot be my disciple.
Lk 16:24 [Jesus narrating ‘The Rich Man and Lazarus’] And he cried and said, FATHER Abraham, have mercy on me… (See also v. 27 & 30)
Lk 18:20 HONOUR THY FATHER and thy mother.
Jn 6:58 This is the bread which came down from heaven: not as your FATHERS did eat manna, and are dead…
3. THE HOLY SPIRIT SHALL BE GUILTY TOO OF THE CRIME because people prophesied by His inspiration and called people ‘father’.
(a) Lk 1: 67 Zechariah was FILLED with the HOLY SPIRIT and later he said:
Lk 1:72-73 ‘To perform the mercy promised to OUR FATHERS, and to remember his holy covenant. The oath which he sware to OUR FATHER Abraham.
(b) Acts 7: 55 referred to St. Stephen as ‘full of the Holy Spirit’ and yet he called people in that same chapter ‘FATHER’ a record of 18 times. If calling people ‘father’ is wrong it presupposed that the Paraclete misled the proto-martyr.
(c) Since the Letter to the Hebrews bear no human authorship the full responsibility goes to the Holy Spirit who inspired it.
Heb 1:1 God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the FATHERS by the prophets…
Heb 3:9 When your FATHERS tempted me, proved me, and saw my works for forty years.
Heb 7:3 [Melchizedek] Without FATHER, without mother…
Heb 7:10 For he [Levi] was yet in the loins of his FATHER, when Melchizedek met him [Abraham].
Heb 12:7 …for what son is he whom the FATHER chasteneth not?
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had FATHERS of our flesh which corrected us…
4. JACOB IS GUILTY
Gen 28:21 So that I come again to my FATHER’s house in peace… [KJV]
Gen 49:2, 4, 25, 28 Jacob spoke the word ‘father’ or ‘fathers’ for people 5 times.
5. JOSEPH THE DREAMER IS ALSO GUILTY
Gen 50:5 My FATHER made me swear…Now therefore let me go, I pray thee [pharaoh], and bury my FATHER…
6. THE BENEVOLENT PHARAOH [Master of Joseph the Dreamer] IS GUILTY
Gen 50:6 And Pharaoh said, Go up, and bury thy FATHER…
7. MOSES IS GUILTY
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his FATHER and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife…[Moses, by tradition, is the human author of the book of Genesis] See also Gen 4: 20-21/ 9: 18, 22-23/ 50: 1, 8, 14-15, 22.
Dt 4:1 …go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your FATHERS giveth you.
Dt 5:3 The Lord made not this covenant with OUR FATHERS, but with us…
Dt 8:1 …and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your FATHERS.
See also Dt 6: 3, 10, 18, 23/ 7: 8, 12-13/ 8: 3/ 10: 11, 15/ 33: 9
8. JOSHUA IS GUILTY
Josh 24: 2-3, 6, 14-15, 17 He called people ‘fathers’ six times.
9. KING DAVID IS GUILTY
1 Sam 24:11 Moreover, my FATHER [he was talking to King Saul], see, yea, see the skirt of thy robe in my hand… Jewish Tradition ascribed the Book of Psalms to King David then this statement could be attributed to him under Divine Inspiration: (a) Ps 22:4 (b) Ps 27:10 (c) Ps 44:1 (d) Ps 45:10,16 (e) Ps 49:19 (f) Ps 68:5 (g) Ps 78:3,5,12,57 (h) Ps 95:9 (i) Ps 103:13 (j) Ps 106:6-7 (k) Ps 110:9,14
10. KING SOLOMON IS GUILTY
2 Chron 6:4,7-8,10,15-16 Solomon delivered this ‘sacrilegious’ speech during the completion of the Temple. Imagine he called David ‘my father’ 6 times. 2 Chron 6:25,31,38 Solomon called other people ‘fathers’ 3 times. N.B.: In 2 Chron 7:1 the Sacred Scripture states that Yahweh responded with FIRE FROM HEAVEN , but not out of anger in order to kill Solomon for calling people ‘father’ right inside the sacred Temple. Instead, the fire consumed the offerings as a sign of divine acceptance. Moreover, the glory of the Lord (Shekinah) filled the house. If Solomon committed a sin against the Holy Name of Yahweh by calling others as ‘father’ why did God accept his sacrifice? See Prov 1: 8/ 4: 1,3/ 13:1/ 17:6,21/ 19:13-14,26
11. KING JOSHAPAT IS GUILTY
2 Chron 19:8 Moreover in Jerusalem did Jehoshapat set of the Levites, and of the priests, and of the chief of the FATHERS of Israel…
12. THE PROPHET ELISHA IS GUILTY
2 Kgs 2:12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My FATHER, My FATHER [referring to the prophet Elijah], the chariot of Israel… [It means that a Man of God can be referred to as 'Father'].
13. THE PROPHET ISAIAH IS GUILTY
Is 49:23 And kings shall be thy nursing FATHERS…
14. THE PROPHET JEREMIAH IS GUILTY
Jer 25:5 …Turn ye again now every one from his evil ways…that the Lord hath given unto you and to your FATHERS forever and ever.
15. JOB IS GUILTY
Job 29:16 I was a FATHER to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.
16. THE PROPHET NEHEMIAH IS GUILTY
Neh 9:2,9,32,34 Nehemiah called people ‘father’ 4 times.
17. THE PROPHET DANIEL IS GUILTY
Dan 9:8 O Lord, to us belonged confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to OUR FATHERS…
Dan 9:16 …for our sins, and for the iniquities of OUR FATHERS…
18. THE ANGEL OF THE LORD IS GUILTY
Jgs 6: 13,15, 25,27 Speaking to Gideon, the Angel of the Lord called people ‘father’ 5 times.
19. THE PROPHET MALACHI IS GUILTY
Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your FATHERS…
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the FATHERS to their children, and the heart of the children to their FATHERS.
20. MARY IS GUILTY TOO
Lk 1:55 As he spoke to our FATHERS, to Abraham, and to his seed forever. [KJV]
21. ST. PETER IS GUILTY ALSO
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our FATHERS… (Peter’s speech at the Temple Gate). v. 22 For Moses truly said unto the FATHERS…v.25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with OUR FATHERS…
Acts 5:30 The God of OUR FATHERS raised up Jesus…
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither OUR FATHERS nor we were able to bear?
1 Pet 1:18 …ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your FATHERS.
2 Pt 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the FATHERS fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
22. ST. PAUL IS GUILTY
Acts 13:17 The God of this people of Israel chose OUR FATHERS…
Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto THE FATHERS…
Acts 13:36 For David…was laid unto his FATHERS, and saw corruption.
Acts 22:1 Men, brethren and FATHERS, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
Acts 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew…and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the FATHERS…
Acts 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto OUR FATHERS.
Acts 28:17 …Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of OUR FATHERS…
Acts 28:25 …Well spake the Holy Ghost by Isaiah the prophet unto OUR FATHERS…
Rom 4:1,12,16 & 18 In these passages St. Paul called Abraham ‘father’ 4 times.
Rom 9:5 Whose are the FATHERS, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:10 …but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by OUR FATHER Isaac.
1 Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all OUR FATHERS were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea.
Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my FATHERS.
Efeso 3:14-15 Dahil dito, ako’y naninikluhod sa Ama, na siyang pinagtutularan ng PAGKAAMA sa bawat sambahayan sa langit at sa lupa. [Magandang Balita Biblia]
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his FATHER…
Col 3:21 FATHERS, provoke not your children to anger…
1 Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man…for murderers of FATHERS…
23. ST. MATTHEW IS GUILTY
Mt 1:2-16 The Genealogy (FATHER is used 39 times in NIV, NRSV, NLT, Magandang Balita Biblia, NAB and The Jerusalem Bible).
Mt 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his FATHER Herod…
Mt 4:21-22 …James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their FATHER…And they immediately left the ship and their FATHER…
24. ST. MARK IS GUILTY
Mk 15:21 And they compel one Simon a Cyrenean, who passed by, coming out of the country, THE FATHER of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
25. ST. LUKE IS GUILTY
Lk 1:59 And they named him Zacharias, after the name of his FATHER.
Lk 1:62 And they made signs to his FATHER…
Lk 1:67 And his FATHER Zechariah was filled with the Holy Ghost…
Acts 16:1,3 …Timothy, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his FATHER was a Greek… for they knew all that his FATHER was a Greek.
Acts 28:8 And it came to pass, that the FATHER of Publius lay sick…
26. ST. JOHN IS GUILTY
Jn 4:53 So, the FATHER knew that it was at the same hour…
1 Jn 2:13-14 I write unto you, FATHERS, because ye have known him that is from the beginning… I have written unto you, FATHERS…
27. THE ARCHANGEL GABRIEL IS GUILTY
Lk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the FATHERS to the children…
28. ST. STEPHEN IS GUILTY
Acts 7 He called peoples FATHER 18 times.
29. ZECHARIAH [The Father of John the Baptist] IS GUILTY
Lk 1:72-73 ‘To perform the mercy promised to OUR FATHERS, and to remember his holy covenant. The oath which he sware to OUR FATHER Abraham.
30. THE SAMARITAN WOMAN IS GUILTY
Jn 4:20 OUR FATHERS worshipped in this mountain…
31. ANANIAS [the man sent by God to baptized Paul] IS GUILTY
Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of OUR FATHERS… • Catholic Christians call the priests “father” with the sense understood by St. Paul. 1 Cor 4:14–16 I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet YOU DO NOT HAVE MANY FATHERS, for I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me. [NAB]
1 Cor 4:14–16 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a FATHER doth his children…
1 Tim 5:1 Rebuke not an elder (Presbuteros, Priest), but entreat him as a FATHER… Phil 2:22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the FATHER, he [Timothy] hath served with me in the gospel.
ON CALLING THE POPE ‘HOLY FATHER’
Is 22:21,23-24 …he [Eliakim, the keeper of the key] shall be a FATHER to the inhabitants of Jerusalem…and he shall be for a glorious throne to his FATHER’s house…And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his FATHER’s house.
Bear in mind that The Book of Isaiah is a prophetic book. It is particularly a prophesy concerning the coming of the Messiah and His Kingdom. The above chapter (Is 22) if will be read completely will lead us to Mt 16: 18-19.
Like Eliakim, St. Peter received from Jesus the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, thus making him the Prime Minister of the Kingdom with the power to bind and to loose above any other with the exception of the King Himself.
One of the title given to the Holder of the Keys is that he shall be called FATHER. The Pope, as successor of Peter, is called HOLY FATHER... With the adjective ‘Holy’ because he is the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Heaven not just of the Davidic kingdom.
BASED ON THE NUMEROUS PASSAGES PRESENTED ABOVE THESE CLASSES OF PEOPLE CAN BE CALLED ‘FATHER’:
• Biological Father • Patriarchs • Ancestors • Kings (as David did to Saul, 1 Sam 24:11, Isaiah 49:23) • Government Leaders (e.g., Eliakim, the Royal Steward – Is 22: 21, 23-24) • PETER & his SUCCESSORS (The Keeper of the Keys) Mt16: 18-19 & Is 22: 21, 23-24 • APOSTLES & BISHOPS (1 Cor 4:14–16/ 1 Cor 4:14–16/ Phil 2:22) • PRESBYTERS AND PRIESTS (Judges 17:9-10/ 1 Tim 5:1)
N.B. The Catholic word ‘priest’ was a shortened version of the Presbyter. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary provides the etymology [ME preist, fr. OE preost, ultim. fr. LL presbyter elder, priest, fr. Gk presbyteros, fr. compar. of presbys old man, elder].
WELL, WELL, WELL! THE BIBLE IS VERY CATHOLIC, ISN’T IT? BECAUSE IT IS A CATHOLIC BOOK! IF YOU WILL FOLLOW THE PROTESTANT AND BORN-AGAIN INTERPRETATION THE SACRED SCRIPTURES THEMSELVES SHALL LOOSE THEIR DIVINE INSPIRATION. SIMPLY STATED THEIR POSITION IS ABSURD, ILLOGICAL AND UNBIBLICAL!
Source: The Splendor Of the Church
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