Monday, February 15, 2010

THE CRUSADES, PLEASE ALSO READ THE CATHOLIC STORY

Jasmine,

Please read JOSHUA, begining chapter one- and proceed until you find

the Jews being settled in the land that God gave them, it was not easy

picking for the Jews, they had to fight their way to settle on this land.


Strange as it may seem, you will read that God gave intructions to kill

all and get no prisoners. That means women and children too.


There was this one general who violated God's instructions he took prisoners to have them as slaves and God struck him.

Why? God wanted the land purified of pagans- the Jews who were purified
in the Desert for more than 40years , were a new generation of Jews from
those who originally left Egypt. And these pagans who knew and have heard
of God's awesome miracles in Egypt, the parting of the sea and the miracles
God perfromed in the desert, still worship their invented Gods and refused
to heed the God of the Jews.


The CRUSADES, PLEASE ALSO READ THE CATHOLIC STORY, the Catholic church
wrote his own history and no one else- that is from her own point of view.
Just type the crusades and there many you can choose from. And there is one from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

You only printed their side of the story as narrated by this muslim author.
This is only one scenario against hundredths of thousand scenarios of the war to reclaim the Holy Land.

Yes there were brutalities and abuses that occurred,some crusaders fell to the temptation of treasures wine and women. This was not the purpose of why the crusades were conducted.

It had a noble idea on the onset but fell to corruption along the way.
There were good points and bad points - let us leave it to God -afterall
they are all dead and has faced the almighty God in Judgement.

I want you to read both sides of it which I did ,because when I was born
again way back in 1978 , the pastors would always snipe with stories like this you posted.

I started with THE INQUISITIONS, PAPAL, ROMAN AND SPANISH- it was an eye straining exercise and the battles that the Europeans fought against the mighty conquering Ott-Man Empire who wanted to conquer Europe and convert it to Islam. They were always massacered because God will not give his people to them.

You should read the battle of Lepanto - how miraculously the virgin saved
the whole of Europe from a huge Islamic Armada outnumbering the Europeans
3 to 1 on Warships, the battle of Hapzburg in Belgium- a hundred thousand
muslims against less than two thousand Catholics who were able to repulse
the OTTO-MANS.

And how Romania under Vlad Tepes (Romania now Orthodox and not in communion
with the Pope) a Romanian Prince was helped by Rome to repulse an imminent
muslim invasion.

How did he do it? He went to a smaller war and captured 20,000 muslims
and he skewered them to the stakes and left them out to bleed and lined them up along the hi-way. The General of the great horde of the main invasion force saw the brutality of this Romanian Prince so he did not bother to invade Romania anymore. They left and went home.

Vlad Tepes was also known as DRACUL "THE IMPALER" - THIS WAS WERE THE STORY
OF DRACULA CAME FROM- THANKS TO THIS FERTILE MINDED BRITISH STORY WRITER AND HE CREATED A STORY WHICH HAS NOW EVOLVED INTO HI-TECH VAMPIRE MOVIES.
Vlad Tepes is a national Hero of Romania- His castles is a tourist site.
It is sometimes featured on horror movies to give color to Vampire Movies.

THE INQUISTION OF SPAIN- Spain was under seige - muslim spies disguised
themselves as Christians were now occupying positions in the MONARCHY OF
QUEEN ISABELA and KING FERDINAND. And surprisingly they were being aided
by the Jews. They were in cahoots. Spain originally was dominated by the MOORS.

Read the Story of El Cid the national hero of Spain- how the 25percent
Catholics of Spain were able to drive out the moors and made it a Christian
Country. Alhambra is a Spanish Speaking province of Spain - but the religion is Islam. Have you noticed Spanish Architecture and Islamic
Architecture are somewhat similar?

Queen Isabela financed the voyage of Ferdinand Magellan to cross the Pacific Ocean- a perilous voyage - He discovered my country, the PHILIPPINES- that is why I am a Christian.

Islam was just at our backdoor the southern part of my country.
Or else my name would have been Abdul or Rashid probably and we would
be debating not as Christians by now but Islam vs Christianity.

Had Europe buckled in to the mighty OTTO-MAN onslaught - America would have
been muslim today.

Now I can not put history into this short writing- it is too tedious.

Oh - about Constantinople- Now Istanbul, the Catholic Church and the Monarchs of Europe were extending their hands to the BYZANTINES -EASTERN
ORTHODOX- help them fight the muslim invaders. But because of pride
they refused and their reason was that their walls were enough and it can
withstand the canons of the OTTOMANS.

The Sultan was having bigger ones made- and it breached the walls and they
fell. And the rest of Turkey fell to the OTTOMAN EMPIRE.

Ephesus now Izmir- also fell. The churches founded by St. Paul and all of Turkey are now Islamic. The Cathedral of St.John the apostles is now
a shrine and he is buried near his Cathedral- Mama Mary went into dormition
in this Place under the care of John. You should see that place and you will notice the altar where John the Apostles was celebrating mass and
baptizing babies too. It is now a shrine granted by the TURKISH GOVERNMENT
because it is written and recorded in their history , the famous visit of
St. Francis of Assisi who was originally planned by his father to be a crusader to the HOLY LAND to earn honor for their family,in Florence italy,
They were the richest in that Place and Francis gave all of these up and lived in rugs and spoiled food and founded one of the biggest Priestly Ordeer in the Catholic Church. He was a STIGMATA. HE HAD THE FIVE WOUNDS OF
JESUS CHRIST.

The sultan was awed at the miracles that God made through Francis.
He said the God of Francis was greater than his God. Francis was sent
home with many many gifts needed by the poor that the order was taking care
of. Read his story too.

Now what I would like you to do so that you will be fair with yourself
and not us is to get the real story and not the stories that has been
spun out of proportions.

What you have been fed I am sorry to tell you are fantastic lies.

WE have the internet right now- and you are lucky. Way back I had to spend
long hours in libraries and bought expensive books some coming from the USA.

THE UNITED STATES THE POLICE OF THE WHOLE WORLD- THEY GIVE THEIR YOUNG
PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOOD LIVES IN THEIR COUNTRY, AND SOME ARE BROUGHT HOME
IN BODY BAGS-

IN ALMOST ALL THE CATASTROPHIES , WAR , STRIFE ETC ETC THE UNITED STATES
LEADS ALL OTHER NATIONS TO HELP. AND YET THEY ARE NOT EVEN THANKED BUT
SPIT UPON BY THE ONE BEING HELPED.

SADLY THERE ARE SOME SOLDIERS WHO DESTROY THE IMAGE OF THIS WEALTHY BEAUTIFUL AND PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY WHICH GOD HAS PROVIDED SO MUCH TO PROTECT
THE FREE WORLD.

THEY COMMITED THE SAME BRUTALITY AS YOU HAVE PICTURED. THESE ARE THE REALITIES OF WAR JASMINE- THEY WERE COMMITTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL DECISION.

MY TEACHER IN HIGH SCHOOL AN AMERICAN JESUIT PRIEST TAUGHT US THIS STORY NOT PUBLISHED OR MADE A CURRICULUM IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I STUDIED IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL RUN BY THIS ORDER.

BEFORE SPAIN GAVE UP THIS COUNTRY THE PHILIPPINES - THE AMERICANS WERE
SCOUTING THE STRENGTH OF THE SPANIARDS IN MY COUNTRY.

THEY WENT TO A CENTRAL PROVINCE AND LANDED THERE. IN THE PROCESS AN AMERICAN SCOUT WAS KILLED BY A LOCAL. THE AMERICANS RETALIATED
BY ANNIHILATING THE WHOLE VILLAGE- SEVERAL THOUSANDS DIED.

THERE WAS SO MUCH BRUTALITY- THEY EVEN THREW BABIES IN THE AIR
AND MET THEM WITH BIONETS. THIS IS KNOWN BY THE NAME OF THAT VILLAGE

THE BALANGUIGA MASSACERE- THE EVDIDENCE?

GO TO FORT APACHE- THE HOME OF YOUR SUPER HI-TECH HELICOPTERS

THERE ARE TWIN BELLS DISPLAYED- A RELIC AND OUR TREASURE

EMBOSSED ON THOSE BELLS ARE THE NAME OF THAT TOWN-

SHOULD I SAY MORE JASMINE-

OH WHEN YOU READ THE WHOLE OF IT- TELL ME HOW YOU FELT

AGAINST THIS PEOPLE WHO MISGUIDED YOU FROM THE TRUTH.

YOU KNOW I WAS EVEN MADE TO BELIEVE THAT OUR POPES WERE

BRUTAL POPES- THEY WERE PICTURED AS EXECUTIONERS

HALF WAY OF WHAT I READ- I FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE CHOPPING BOARDS

OF THE MONARCHS- OR PUNCHING BAGS. ALL THE WAY THEY WERE HELPLESS

AGAINST TYRANT MONARCHS OF EUROPE. ONE POPE HAD TO SEEK REFUGE IN

FRANCE AND IT BECAME A PAPAL SEAT FOR QUITE A TIME- BECAUSE

ITALY WAS WRACKED IN POLITICAL TURMOIL BECAUSE OF WARRING FAMILIES.

BUT NOT OF THEM BUCKLED DOWN.

THOMAS BECKET IN ENGLAND DID NOT BUCKLE DOWN HE WAS CHOPPED TO PIECES

IN FRONT OF THE ALTAR.

SHAKESPEAR A COVERT CATHOLIC I THINK MADE A PLAY OUT THIS , AND I THINK

IT WAS SOMERSET- THAT FAMOUS PLAY

AFTER THE SECOND WORLD WAR- THE WITNESSES WHO CONNIVED WITH HITLER

DURING THE WAR - CAME OUT AND TALKED TO MUCH AS IF THEY WERE HEROES

DURING THE WAR- THEY DID THIS AND THEY DID THAT.

AUSHWICH (CORRECT MY SPELLING PLEASE) - AND DACHAU THE EXTERMINATING

CAMPS OF HITLER KILLED 25,000 OF OUR PRIESTS AND NUNS MOSTLY FROM POLAND.

READ EUGENIO OF ITALY- HE WAS THE CHIEF RABBI OF THE SYNAGOGUE IN ROME WHEN POPE PIUS 12TH WAS POPE AND HE WITNESSED HOW HALF A MILLION JEWS WERE SAVED BY THIS POPE WHO SPENT ALL HIS INHERITANCE BECAUSE THIS POPE CAME FROM A ROYAL FAMILY.

THIS RABBI CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY AND TOOK ON THE NAME OF EUGENIO-

THE REAL NAME OF THAT POPE.

THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU JASMINE

Thursday, February 11, 2010

THE STORY OF ANANIAS AND SAFFIRA - THIS STORY REFUTES PROTESTANT CLAIMS

HERE IS ONE STORY THAT DESTROYS ALL THE TEACHING OF THE PROTESTANTS
THE ONE SAVED ALWAYS SAVE
AND THOSE WHO CLAIM THEY ARE SAVED BY FAITH





THE FRAUD OF ANANIAS AND SAFFIRA ACTS CHAPTER 5: 1 TO 11

background story of these couple who were struck dead by the HOLY SPIRIT

THE Sanhedrin was making life difficult for the christian Jews in Jerusalem
Judea and Samaria.

The Christians helped out each other and some even sold their properties
to help those who were really struck hard by this persecution.

Ananias and Saffira sold their property though it was not obligatory for
them.

Ananias put aside some of the proceeds for himself and conived with his wife Saffira to report a lesser amount and the rest he turned
over to the Apostles.

In other words they lied to Peter who at that time was filled with the Holy Spirit .

And Peter said Act 5:4 "YOU HAVE DECEIVED NOT MEN BUT GOD"

Both Ananias and Saffira were struck dead by the HOLY SPIRIT AND THEY WERE
BURIED THAT SAME DAY.


THE COUPLE NEVER LOST THEIR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.

THEY WERE A PERSONAL WITNESS TO JESUS CHRIST - PERHAPS TO SOME OF HIS.
TEACHINGS AND PERHAPS HAVE SEEN SOME OF HIS MIRACLES.

PERHAPS THEY HAVE SEEN THE ACTUAL CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST.

THEY WERE TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLES THEMSELVES.

BUT THEY WERE STRUCK DEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR THEY CHOSE TO LIE


THIS SIMPLE STORY AFFIRMS WHAT PAUL SAYS-

THERE IS NO ASSURANCE - WE MUST PERSEVERE TO THE VERY END

WE MUST WORK OUT OUR FAITH IN FEAR AND TREMBLING

ANINIAS AND SAFFIRA NEVER LOST THEIR FAITH- THEY SINNED AND CHOSE TO LIE


NOW WHAT SAY YOU - TO THOSE WHO PREACH THAT BY FAITH WE ARE SAVED!

TO THOSE WHO PREACH THAT JESUS SAVED US ON THE CROSS-

TO THOSE WHO SAY THAT THERE IS NO HELL

JUDAS WAS A CLEAR EXAMPLE - WHO WAS CONDEMNED TO HELL

IN THE LAST SUPPER - JESUS TOLD JUDAS TO BE GONE AND DO WHAT HE MUST

AND IMMEDIATELY SATAN ENTERED HIS SOUL.

WHY JOSEPH CAN NOT ENTER INTO MARY- HE MIGHT DIE- MAYBE

WHY JOSEPH CAN NOT ENTER INTO MARY- HE MIGHT DIE- MAYBE!!

BECAUSE GOD MADE MARY HOLY- EVEN BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME

"ke CHARITOMENE"- HAIL! FULL OF GRACE OR REJOICE! HIGHLY FAVORED ONE"


TYPOLOGIES- GEN 3:15 -THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD, THE ARK OF THE COVENANT, THE TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM, AND MARY-

DAVID AND ELIZABETH


GENESIS 3:15 - "
"I shall make you enemies, you and the woman, your offspring
and her offspring. He will crush your head and you will strike his heal."



the crushing of satan's head Paul's letter to the persecuted Christians of

Rome.

ROMANS 16:20 "the God of peace will soon crush satan and place him under

your feet"




THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD


WHERE GOD MET MOSES AND THE LAW WAS GIVEN TO HIM- IT WAS DECLARED SACRED

GROUND BY GOD - DEATH TO THOSE WHO GO BEYOND THE COMMAND OF GOD FOR HE MADE

THE PLACE HOLY

EXODUS 3:5 "YAHWEH SAID TO MOSES" do not come near take off your sandals

because the place where you are standing is HOLY GROUND.

EXODUS 19:12 TAKE CARE NOT TO GO UP TO THE MOUNTAIN OR TOUCH ITS BASE ,

WHOEVER TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN WLL DIE

VERSE 13 NO HAND SHALL TOUCH HIM BUT HE WILL BE STONED OR SHOT DOWN BY

ARROWS



THE INNER PLACE OF THE TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM

SIMILARLY- THE INNER PLACE OF TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM COVERED BY A THICK

CURTAIN IS ONLY ENTERED BY THE HIGH PRIEST ON THE TENTH DAY ON THE MONTH
OF TISHRI OUR SEPTEMBER -THAT IS THE DAY OF ATONEMENT OF SINS OR
YOM KIPPUR-
ZECHARIAH THE HIGH PRIEST AND FATHER OF JOHN THE BAPTIST ENTERED IT SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ANGEL GABRIEL APPEARED TO HIS NIECE -MARY THE MOTHER OF
JESUS

THE HIGH PRIEST BEFORE ENTERING THE INNER PLACE WHERE THE "SHEKINAH GLORY"
OR "THE GLORY OF GOD OR PRESENCE" IS VISIBLE-

THE HIGH PRIEST MUST THOROUGHLY CLEANSE HIMSELF BY OFFERING A SACRIFICE TO

GOD FOR HIS OWN CLEANSING- FAILURE TO CLEANSE WELL ENOUGH RESULT IN HIS DEATH

INSIDE THE INNER PLACE- HE IS TIED TO THE WAIST IN ENTERING THAT INNER

PLACE AND PULLED OUT IF THEY SENSE HE IS DEAD



THE ARK OF THE COVENANT

Hebrews 9:4 "...., and the ARK OF THE COVENANT, FULLY COVERED WITH GOLD,

the Ark cointained a golden jar holding the manna, Aarons rod that had

sprouted leaves and the two slabs of the covenant"

MANNA - the bread that came down from HEAVEN for the Jews to eat through

their exodus on the desert.John 6:31

Jesus is the living bread that came down from Heaven- John 6:35
Jesus said he who eats this bread and he who believes in him will have
eternal life.

AARONS ROD- the symbol of his priesthood- notice the rod is alive it had

grown leaves- the priesthood will live and shall not be abolished.

Jesus is the HIGH PRIEST OF THE NEW COVENANT IN THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDECK,

the Levitical line of Mary from AARON and David's priesthood as KING OF THE DAVIDIC KINGDOM AND Jesus THE KING OF THE DAVIDIC KINGDOM WILL LAST FOREVER joined together in the NEW COVENANT Jesus made and sealed it with his blood on the cross.
He ordained his APOSTLES as the first priests of this covenant during the

last supper and HE WASHED THEIR FEET AND INSTITUTED THE SACRAMENT OF THE
EUCHARIST WITH THE WORDS "DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME"

THE SLABS OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS- Jesus the second person of the HOLY

TRINITY -the GODHEAD -is GOD and GOD IS THE LAW!!



THE ARK OF THE COVENANT VISITS DAVID 2 SAMUEL CHAPTER 6

2 sam 6:2-3 - THE ARK OF THE COVENANT WAS BROUGHT BY DAVID WITH THIRTY

THOUSAND MEN TO JERUSALEM AND PLACED IT ON A NEW CART PULLED BY OXEN.

verse 6 - the oxen stumbled and UZZAH streched out his hand to prevent
the ARK from falling off the cart.

verse 7 - YAHWEH'S ANGER BURNT AGAINST UZZAH AND GOD STRUCK HIM THERE,

UZZAH DIED THERE BESIDE THE ARK OF GOD.

VERSE 9 -"David was afraid of Yahweh that day and said:

"HOW CAN THE ARK OF YAHWEH COME TO ME ?"


Verse 10- "YAHWEH'S ARK WAS BROUGHT TO THE HOUSE OF OBEDEDOM THE HITITE

verse 11- "YAHWEH'S ARK REMAINED THERE FOR THREE MONTHS AND GOD BLESSED THE

HOUSE OF OBEDEDOM AND ALL HIS HOUSEHOLD"

verse 14 "David whirled around dancing with all his heart for

Yahweh,wearing a linen ephod"



MARY VISITS ELIZABETH - LUKE CHAPTER ONE



LUKE CHAPTER ONE

verse 39 -Mary set out for a town in the hills of Judah

verse 40- she entered the house of ZECARIAH and she greeted Elizabeth.

verse 41- when Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leapt in her womb,

Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

verse 42- giving a loud cry she said "you are MOST BLESSED AMONG WOMEN

AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB"


verse 43- "HOW IS IT THAT THE MOTHER OF MY LORD COMES TO VISIT ME?"

ADONAI-MY GOD, or MY LORD, THE SUBSTITUTED WORD THAT THE JEWS WOULD USE IN

PLACE OF YAHWEH
they were forbidden to use the name of GOD-YAHWEH in the book of Jeremiah


HOW IS IT THAT THE MOTHER OF MY GOD COMES TO VISIT ME?"

there you are MARY IS THE MOTHER OF GOD. THE BIBLE SAYS

verse 49- "the mighty one has done great things for me-HOLY IS HIS NAME"

VERSE 56- "MARY REMAINED WITH ELIZABETH FOR THREE MONTHS THEN SHE RETURNED
HOME



THE BOOK OF REVELATION

John wrote-REVELATION CHAPTER 4

verse 1 -"After this I looked up to the wall of the sky and saw an open

door, the voice which I had first heard speaking to me, like a trumpet
said come up here and I will show you what you will see in the future,"

CHAPTER 11:19 THEN THE SANCTUARY OF GOD WAS OPENED AND THE ARK OF THE

COVENANT OF GOD COULD BE SEEN INSIDE THE SANCTUARY, THERE WERE FLASHES OF

LIGHTNING, PEALS OF THUNDER AN EARTHQUAKE AND A VIOLENT HAILSTORM.

CHAPTER 12:1 "A GREAT SIGN APPEARED IN HEAVEN A WOMAN CLOTHES WITH THE SUN

WITH THE MOON UNDER HER FEET AND A CROWN OF TWELVE STARS ON HER HEAD

verse 2 SHE WAS PREGNANT AND CRIED OUT IN PAIN LOOKING TO HER TIME OF

DELIVERY

verse 3 THEN ANOTHER SIGN APPEARED: a huge red dragon with seven heads and

ten horns wearing seven crowns on its heads,

VERSE 4 it had swept along a third of the stars of heaven with its tail

throwing them down to the earth. the dragon stood in front of the woman
who was about to give birth, so that it might devour the child as soon as

it was born,

verse 5 she gave birth to a male child, the one who is to rule all the

nations with an iron scepter, then her child was seized and taken up to GOD

and to his throne

Matthew 1:18"....Mary the mother of Jesus had been given to Joseph who was found to be pregnant "THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT"

mATTHEW 1:20- "the ANGEL appeared to Joseph in a dream and said-"Joseph descendant of David DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TAKE MARY AS YOUR WIFE"...."

JESUS SAID

mATTHEW 12: 32 "HE WHO SPEAKS AGAINST THE SON OF MAN WILL BE FORGIVEN BUT

HE WHO SPEAKS AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN, EITHER IN THIS

AGE OR IN THE AGE TO COME.

ISA 7:14- "the virgin is with child and bears a son......"

"THIS GATE WILL BE KEPT SHUT, NO ONE WILL OPEN IT OR GO THROUGH IT, SINCE THE GOD OF ISRAEL HAS BEEN THROUGH IT, AND SO IT MUST BE KEPT SHUT"
EZEKIEL 44:2



MARY IS SACRED GROUND- AND JOSEPH KNEW THAT- HE MIGHT DIE

TO OUR SEPARATED BRETHREN - SHE IS NO TOUCH

PERPETUALLY VIRGIN

Tuesday, February 9, 2010

WHY MARY IS HOLY GROUND

MY CATHOLIC BIBLE SAYS IN MATTHEW 1:25

"so she gave birth to a son and he had not had relations with her. Joseph gave him the name Jesus"

TO the JEWS -YESHUA- means -GOD SAVES- JOSEPH NOW KNEW WHO MARY WAS CONCEIVING

BUT I DID NOT INSIST ON IT- I PLAYED YOUR COURT THE KING JAMES VERSION
LATER ON I WILL GO TO THE GREEK

WHO IS JOSEPH and MARY?


MATTHEW 1:18

This is how Jesus Christ was born. Mary his mother had been given to Joseph in marriage but before they lived together, she was found to be pregnant...

"THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT"-.....I WILL REPEAT THROUGH "THE HOLY SPIRIT"

(the protestant world treat the pregnancy of Mary
as just an ordinary pregnancy as if the holy spirit can just impregnate any woman in this planet, let alone any woman can just give birth to a JESUS CHRIST, why? because it is CATHOLIC AND ANY CATHOLIC BELIEF THEY STAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD- SO TO SPEAK)

.....then Joseph her husband made plans to divorce her in all secrecy.
HE WAS AN UPRIGHT MAN, and in no way did he want to discredit her.....

WHY IN SECRET?- the secret was.. that MARY WAS PREGNANT BECAUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT !!!!! who would ever believe a simple country lass a virgin being
pregnant because of the HOLY SPIRIT. THE WHOLE OF ISRAEL MIGHT BE LAUGHING AT YOU IF YOU SAY THIS.

PUT THIS IN THAT BRAIN OF YOURS HARLAN

and JOSEPH being an upright man married MARY so that the HARSH MOSAIC LAW
will not be imposed on Mary. She will be stoned to death.

MARY the niece of ZECARIAH - the high priest who six months ago just went in to the INNER TEMPLE only done ONCE A YEAR DURING THE FEAST OF THE DAY OF ATONEMENT- OFFERING SACRIFICE FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL IN ATONEMENT for THEIR SINS- AND to the HIGH PRIESTS OF ISRAEL-they draw lots on who will enter this INNER SANCTUM to make an offering- this is a risky undertaking for a HIGH PRIEST who has not cleansed himself well enough might end up dead. That is why they are tied to their waste so in case he dies - he will be pulled out.

Now Mary who is pregnant and unmarried will be scandalized so much not only in Jerusalem but maybe to the whole nation of Israel being the niece of
the HIGH PRIEST of THE TEMPLE- YOU CAN NOW IMAGINE THE BIG SHAME AND SCANDAL TO THE WHOLE CLAN OF THE HIGH PRIEST ZECARIAH the father of JOHN THE baptist. The jews will be after the stoning of Mary.

the levitical line of MARY- IS "ANAWIM" - THEY ARE JEWS WHO LIVE RIGHTEOUS
AND STRICTLY OBESERVES THE LAW OF MOSES -in other words it is a PURIFIED GROUP in the LEVITICAL TRIBE-

AND GOD CHOSE THE MOTHER OF JESUS from this group.

why was Joseph contemplating to divorce Mary and in no way to discredit her?

Because of fear!!!

Joseph new that MARY now belongs to GOD ALREADY- being pregnant because of
the overshadowing of the HOLY SPIRIT - SHE WAS GOD'S PROPERTY
SHE BECAME THE SPOUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT- SHE WAS SACRED GROUND.

and that MARY'S womb has the FIRSTBORNE- THE FIRST TO LEAVE THE WOMB
the JEWS HAD A HIGH REGARD FOR THE FIRSTBORN OF ANY WOMB- READ IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT ABOUT THE FIRSTBORN-

WHEN GOD SETTLED ON MOUNT SINAI TO MEET WITH MOSES AND ON THAT MOUNTAIN
GOD CARVED WITH HIS FINGERS SO TO SPEAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ON THE ROCK AND GAVE THE LAWS ON HOW THE JEWS WILL LIVE AND HIS MIGHTY NAME- AND A COVENANT- HE DECLARED THAT MOUNTAIN A SACRED GROUND.
A PRERIMETER WAS EVEN ESTABLISHED AND THOSE WHO VIOLATES THIS PERIMETER WILL DIE- AND INSTRUCTED MOSES TO EVEN TAKE OUT HIS SANDALS.

JOSEPH NEW WHAT BELONGS TO GOD BELONGS TO GOD. DID YOU GET THIS HARLAN

JOSEPH WILL NOT EVEN THINK OF WHAT HARLAN IS ALWAYS THINKING. THAT IS SEX!!

BEFORE JOSEPH WENT TO HIS PLAN OF DIVORCING MARY THINKING THAT HE WAS RIGHT.

BECAUSE MARY IS NOT ORDINARY ANYMORE FOR SHE BELONGS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT- ON
THE OTHER HAND KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES

JOSEPH NEW THAT GOD HATES DIVORCE

THE ANGEL APPEARED TO JOSEPH AND THIS IS WHAT THE ANGEL SAID

MATTHEW 1:20

"JOSEPH DESCENDANT OF DAVID "DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TAKE MARY AS YOUR WIFE
SHE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT "

verse 21 "AND WILL BEAR A SON WHOM YOU ARE TO CALL JESUS ( GOD SAVES) FOR HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS"

THAT WAS THE FEAR HARLAN -

THAT IS WHY JOSEPH DID NOT ENTER INTO MARY AND NEVER DID

HE WAS A RIGHTEOUS MAN- NOT LIKE YOU- YOU ONLY SAY IT AND I DONT BELIEVE IT- EVER

BUT YOU HAD NO FEAR IN YOUR THOUGHTS HARLAN THAT IS WHY I NEVER BELIEVED YOU ARE RIGHTEOUS BECAUSE YOU KEEP ON THINKING ABOUT MUNDANE THINGS IN YOUR MIND.

YOU SAY THAT YOU LOVE JESUS OH HOW YOU DECLARE THIS IN ALL YOUR POSTINGS- BUT YOU NEVER TREATED EVERYTHING IN JESUS AS SACRED-

EVERYTHING IN JESUS IS SACRED HARLAN- HIS MOTHER AND HIS FOSTER FATHER JOSEPH GIVE RESPECT WHERE RESPECT IS DUE.

S WILL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR THAT

HOW WILL YOU FEEL IF YOUR FRIEND TREATS YOUR OWN MOTHER COMING INTO
YOU HOUSE AS IF HE SEES YOUR MOTHER A FIXTURE IN YOUR HOUSE.


ONCE AGAIN I WILL REPEAT WHAT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED

-YOU DID NOT REFUTE ANY OF THE BROTHERS OF JESUS THAT I IDENTIFIED WHO THEIR

FATHERS ARE AND NOT JOSEPH THE HUSBAND OF MARY- YOU SAY THE BIBLE IS NOT

THAT DEEP- BUT YOU WENT TOO DEEP WITH YOUR OPINIONS AND CONCLUSIONS

-HOW ABOUT JESUS WILL NOT BE WITH US ANYMORE AND HE WILL NOT BE
WITH US AFTER THE END OF TIME- WHERE IS MY ANSWER USING YOUR ARGUMENT
TO THE VERSE- NONE- YOU PICKED AND CHOOSE AGAIN

-WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF JESUS- AGAIN YOU SAID
THE BIBLE IS NOT THAT DEEP- BUT YOU WERE DEEP IN YOUR OPINIONS


-WHO ARE LIVING PEOPLE THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED TODAY COMING FROM THE LINE
OF JESUS CHRIST? NO ONE HAS EVER COME UP TO CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS HIS
GRAND DAD.

-WHERE ARE HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS DURING THE TIME OF CRUCIFIXION -WHY DID
JESUS LEAVE HIS MOTHER TO JOHN?? again YOU GAVE NO ANSWER

AND ALL ALONG YOU ANCHORED YOUR ARGUMENT ON JUST ONE WORD - "UNTIL"


"UNTIL" YOU CAN BACK UP YOUR CLAIM THAT JESUS HAD BIOLOGICAL BROTHERS AND SISTERS- YOU WILL COME OUT TO BE A STORY TELLER OF ALL TIMES
REMEMBER THE NUN THAT YOU SAID YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVERT - YOU COULD STARTED WITH THE POPE SO WE CAN EASILY VERIFY


"UNTIL" YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOUND REASONS AND LOGICAL AT THAT

"UNTIL" THEN I WILL BELIEVE YOU

HERE IS ONE BIG ADVISE- GO TO A CREDIBLE BIBLE TEACHER OR COLLEGE-
ESPECIALLY ONE THAT CAN TEACH BIBLICAL HISTORY

THAT HAS HERMENEUTICS AND CAN EXPLAIN THE EXEGIES OF WHAT THE AUTHOR WROTE

IN PLAIN READING YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AUTHOR TRYING TO SAY.

THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED EXEGIES- KNOW THIS FIRST

PERSONAL CONVICTIONS WILL TAKE YOU NOWHERE AND STILL END UP WITH NOTHING.

Sunday, February 7, 2010

Totoo nga bang ang pag luhod sa rebulto ng mga katoliko ay pagsamba sa rebulto mismo?



 



Biblia ang sasagot

Sagot:Mayroon lingkod ng Dios na nanalangin higit pa sa pag

LUHOD KUNDI NAGPATIRAPA pa!

Ano ang ginawa ni Josue? hinawak ang kanyang damit at nagpatira sa harap ng kaban ng Tipan Josue 7:6

anu yung nasa Kaban?

1Hari 8:7 Larawan ng Kerubin na ginawang upuan ng Dios

1Sam 4:4,So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth between the cherubims: and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.

1Kro 13:6 And David went up, and all Israel, to Baalah, that is, to Kirjathjearim, which belonged to Judah, to bring up thence the ark of God the LORD, that dwelleth between the cherubim, whose name is called on it.

at doon sya makikipagkita mula sa Larawan ng 2 Keruben

Exod 25:22, Dahil sa kerubin ka haharap hindi yung TITINGALA KA SA LANGIT kundi ang Harapan ng Dios ay ang Larawan ng Kerubin

2Hari19:15.Hezekiah prayed before the Lord: “Lord God of Israel, who is enthroned on the cherubs!

napakalinaw nyan Richard malinaw pa sa sikat ng Araw kung di kayo tulog sa katotohanan.

Rom 11:8.Ayon sa nasusulat, Binigyan sila ng Dios ng Espiritu ng pagkakatulog, ng mga matang hindi nangakakakita, at ng mga pakinig na hindi nangakakarinig, hanggang sa araw na ito.

Nasa inyo na iyan kung bubuksan ninyo ang inyong isip tungkol sa mga bagay na iyan basta ako sinasagot ko lang ang tanong nyo nasa sa inyo na iyan kung maniniwala kayo o hindi.

ITO PA! SA PAG LUHOD ULI!

BASA:

Tanong; eh, bakit nyo niluluhuran diba ang pagluhod ay pagsamba?

Sago:Hindi po lahat ng pag luhod ay pag samba.

Awit 95:5. KANYA RIN ANG DAGAT AT PATI RIN ANG LUPA NA KANYANG NILALALNG

Hindi lahat ng pagkakataon na ang pagluhod o yukod o patirapa ay pagsamba, ano ang sinasabi ng biblia?

Gen 23:7-8 si Abraham lumuhod bilang pakikiusap hindi pagsamba,

1Sam 24:8 Yumokod sa lupa si David hindi upang sumamba kundi NAGBIGAY GALANG.

1Sam 28:14 si Saul yumokod sa lupa at nagbigay GALANG hindi sumamba.

2 Sam 1:2 nagpatirapa kay David at nagbigay GALANG hindi parin pagsamba.

Gawa 16:29 Bantay ng bilanggo nagpatirapa kay Apostol Pablo hindi upang SUMAMBA kundi bunga ng pagkatakot.

Gawa 9:40 lumuhod sa bangkay si A.Pablo at nanalangin sya pero hindi sa Bangkay kundi sa Diyos pero humarap sa bangkay.

Ester 3:2 nagsiyukod at nagsigalang.

1Hari 1:47 Ang Hari ay Yumukod sa kanyang Higaan pero di Sumamba sa kanyang Higaan

2Hari 20:2 Humarap sa ding-ding si Haring Ezequias at nanalangin- pero hindi sinamba ang ding-ding.

IYAN HA HUMARAP SA DING DING PERO HINDI SUMAMBA SA PADER MALINAW NA HINDI PORKET NAKAHARAP KA SA ISANG BAGAY AT NANALANGIN KA AY SUMAMBA KANA SA BAGAY NA IYON.

ITO NAMAN TUMAYO hindi lumuhod ha pero SUMAMBA nakatayo

Exod 33:10. And all the people saw the cloud at the door of the Tent, and they went down on their faces, everyone at the door of his tent.

Ito naman Lumuhod hindi para sumamba kundi upang uminom ng tubig

Hukom7:6. Ang sumalok ng tubig upang uminom ay 300 at yaong iba lamang ay LUMUHOD upang uminom.

ito naman Yumokod hindi parin para SUMaMBA kundi upang manganak

1 Sam 4:19. Kagampan noon ang asawa ni finees. Nang malaman nyang nakuha ang kaban ng Diyos at patay ang kanyang biyenan, at napatay ang kanyang asawa siyay naglupasay at napa anak ng di oras.

Nakita nyo na mga INC, mga ADD  itinuro ba yan sa inyo ni Eduardo Manalo at Eli Soriano?

Hindi!

kasi Binulag kayo.

Rom 11:8 Ayon sa nasusulat, Binigyan sila ng Dios ng Espiritu ng pagkakatulog, ng mga matang hindi nangakakakita, at ng mga pakinig na hindi nangakakarinig, hanggang sa araw na ito.


na dilang sinungaling

Kaw 11:9, Ang labi ng walang Diyos sa iba ay panira, ngunit ang dunong ng matuwid ay nagliligtas ng kapwa.

Jer 9:8 Parang makamandag na pana ang kanilang dila, pawang pandaraya ang kanilang sinasabi. Sa kanilang kapway magandang mangusap, ngunit ang totoo'y binibitag nila ito.

kaya ang mga pandinig nyo gaya nang Binging Ahas

Awit 58:4.Makamandag manding ahas ang kaparis animo ay kobrang ang tainga'y may takip

kaya hindi nyo matutunan ang tamang unawa sa Biblia tungkol sa larawan. So paano ba yan may sagot pala sa biblia ang inaakala nyong walang sagot. Kayo ang magpapasya kung sasaliksikin ninyo ang katotohan.

Mga INC at ADD tutulan nyo ito!

Saturday, February 6, 2010

MAY BUKAS PA FINALE THEME SONG



We will miss you Santino, we will always remember the moral lessons that we learned from May Bukas Pa. Bro is always with us...

Thursday, February 4, 2010

REBULTO DIOS DIOSAN NGA BA?

TEEWEE'S ANSWER


I WOULD SUGGEST YOU READ MORE
OH SURE WE KNOW HOW TO READ REINEE AND WE WILL NOW TELL YOU THAT READING
MUST BE INVESTIGATIVE AND MUST BE GUIDED IN CASE YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS A BIT IMPAIRED - BECAUSE LEANING ON ONES OWN UNDERSTANDING WITH THIS DEFECT WILL LEAD YOU TO PERDITION

GOD SAID "WHAT I HAVE SAID WILL NOT RETURN TO ME EMPTY AND VOID"

DID GOD CONTRADICT HIMSELF WHEN HE COMMANDED THE JEWS NOT TO MAKE IDOLS IN THE FORM OF ANYTHING -ABOVE HIM -BELOW HIM AND EVEN UNDER HIM

LET US FIND OUT-HOW REINEE UNDERSTANDS THE SCRIPTURES WITH HIS PERSISTENCE AND HIS ACCUSATIONS THAT CATHOLICS ARE WORSHIPING ACCORDING TO HIM IDOLS


COMMON OBJECTION OF NON CATHOLICS

IT IS VERY CLEAR IN THE BIBLE WHICH SAYS "therefore do not become corrupted; do not make an idol or a god carved in the form of a man or a woman"

DUET 4:16 "YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR SERVE THEM. For I YAHWEH, YOUR God am a jealous God .... Exodus 20:5, I am Yahweh that is my name, I will not give Glory to another or my praise to graven images- Isa 42.8

Here it is very clear that God prohibits the carving of images in the form of man and woman. what God allows to be carved are those of cherubim or angels not images of Man Ex 25:18-19 , BUT GOD NEVER RECOMMENDED THOSE IMAGES TO BE WORSHIPPED


CATHOLIC ANSWER

Is the text used from Deut 4:16 that God prohibits the making of any images of man or woman, a prohibition without any condition? Or the prohibition means that the images shall not be thought of as God?

NOW READ THIS REINEE -

Because if you will say that the making of images be it man or woman is really prohibited without any condition then ....

HE COMMANDED MOSES TO MAKE IMAGES OF ANGELS OR CHERUBIMS. IF THESE ARE REPRESENTED BY IMAGES AS ALLOWED BY YAHWEH, THESE ARE IMAGES OF MEN BUT WITH WINGS AND CREATURES FROM ABOVE. SINCE THE ANGELS APPEARED BEFORE LOT WERE IN THE FORM OF MEN WHO WERE MASCULINE GEN 19:1,5-8

ALSO INSIDE THE TEMPLE OF GOD OR THE HOUSE OF GOD - WHICH JESUS SAID

"MY FATHER'S HOUSE"


I WILL DESCRIBE TO YOU THE TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT EVEN JESUS DID NOT
REBUKE WITH THESE IMAGES AND EVEN CALLED IT "HIS FATHERS HOUSE"

2 CHRONICLES 3:7 "ON THE WALLS SOLOMON HAD CARVED CHERUBIMS

3:10 - IN THE HOLLIES OF HOLLIES - HE MADE TWO CHERUBIMS OF METAL AND PLATED THEM WITH GOLD

1 KING 6:29 "SOLOMON HAD ALL THE WALLS CARVED WITH CHERUBIMS , PALM TREES
AND FLOWERS

1 king 6:27 THE CHERUBIM OF THE HOLY OF HOLIES AND THEIR WINGS SO SPREAD APART THAT THEY TOUCHED BOTH WALLS

EZEKIEL 41:17-19 "from the foor to the inner part of the house, and right
around the whole wall of the inner room outside and inside , were carved
cherubims and palm trees, palm trees and cherubims alternating each, each
cherubims had two faces, the face of a man turned towards the palm tree on
one side and the face of a lion toward the palm tree on the other, all
around the house. the cherubims and palm trees were carved from the floor
to above the entrance, as also from the wall of the hall.

THIS IS THE WAY THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE FULL OF
CARVED, CHERUBIMS TREES A FACE OF A MAN AND A LION.

DAVID WAS THE FATHER OF SOLOMON WAS GIVEN THE NAME THE LION OF JUDAH

AND JESUS CALLED IT "HIS FATHER'S HOUSE" -

HIS FATHERS HOUSE WITH CARVED IMAGES? HARLAN SAID THE TEMPLE OF GOD HAS NO ROOM FOR IDOLS?


IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT IF ALL IMAGES REPRESENT FALSE GODS, THEN GOD IS THE
FIRST ONE WHO VIOLATED HIS COMMAND WHEN HE COMMANDED MOSES TO CARVE IMAGES
OF ANGELS EXO 25:18-19 AND THE IMAGE OF FIERY SERPENT NUMBER 21:8
BUT AS WE ALREADy KNOW , GOD CANNOT COMMIT ANY FAULT.

THEREFORE IT IS THE MISINTERPRETATON OF REINEE AND HARLAN WHICH LED THEM

TO ERR IN SAYING THAT ALL IMAGES REPRESENT FALSE GODS. THE SCRIPTURES
TEACHES US WHAT ARE FALSE GODS ARE:



FOR WE KNOW AN IDOL IS WITHOUT EXISTENCE. I WILL REPEAT THIS ONE
FOR THE BENEFIT OF REINEE AND HARLAN
1 COR 8:4 "can we, then, eat from offering to the idols? WE KNOW THAT
The glory and praise of God can never be given to these idols which represent nothing and which are non existent and never existed but only a creation of ones imagination.


Isaiah 44:13-20 - this man cut down a three sculpted an image which he made his GOD out of his own imagination- and made the image he created - and asked the carved image to rescue him for that very image which does not have any existence at all but a product of his very OWN imagination HE MADE A god out of it.

Our image of Jesus Christ cannot represent the invisible and the incomprehensible God. But the incarnation of the Son of God and who lived
with us HAS USHERED IN A NEW ECONOMY OF IMAGES.

PREVIOUSLY GOD, WHO HAS NEITHER A BODY NOR A FACE. ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT BE
REPRESENTED BY AN IMAGE, BUT NOW THAT HE HAS MADE HIMSELF IN THE FLESH AND HAS LIVED WITH MEN. MEN CAN NOW MAKE AN IMAGE OF WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN OF GOD
AND CONTEMPLATE TO THE GLORY OF THE LORD, HIS FACE UNVEILED.

1 COL 1:15 "CHRIST IS THE IMAGE OF THE UNSEEN GOD"

JESUS HAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS BECAUSE OF THE WORD "UNTIL" HARLAN SAID

IF JESUS HAD BROTHERS

1. WHERE WERE THEY WHEN HE WAS CRUCIFIED - THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO BE
THERE- WHY DID JESUS LEAVE HIS MOTHER TO JOHN THE APOSTLE


2. ALL THE SUPPOSED BROTHERS OF JESUS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE
WERE IDENTIFIED AND THEIR FATHERS TOO WERE IDENTIFIED- AND IT WAS NOT JOSEPH THE SPOUSE of MARY - THE MOTHER OF JESUS

3. WHAT WERE THE NAMES OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF JESUS - THE GOSPEL WRITER DID NOT EVEN GIVE A NAME TO ANY OF HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS-

4. TODATE NOT A SINGEL LINE COMING FROM THESE ALLEGED BROTHERS AND SISTERS
HAS COME UP NOR HAS ANYONE CLAIMED THAT HE IS A DESCENDANT OF JESUS CHRIST.
NOR WITH ANY OF THE APOSTLES.


NOW HARLAN INSISTS THAT JESUS HAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS JUST TO
SATISFY HIS OWN PERSONAL CONVICTION THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS WRONG.

HE CAN NOT EVEN GIVE A NAME OF HIS FELLOWSHIP NOR SAY WHAT THE DOCTRINES
OF HIS FELLOWSHIP ARE- HE IS TRYING TO PROVE HIS FELLOWSHIP IS THE RIGHT
CHURCH BY PROVING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WRONG.

THIS IS TYPICAL

BECAUSE HARLAN HAS ANCHORED HIS BELIEF THAT JESUS HAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS

ON JUST ONE WORD- "UNTIL"

HE CLAIMS THAT I HAVE BEEN TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES BUT COULD NOT SAY
WHAT I TWISTED.

I HAVE ASKED HIM SEVERAL TIMES WHAT I TWISTED AND HE COULD NOT MENTION EVEN ONE. ALWAYS A BLANK ACCUSATION- AND HE DOES IT MOST OF THE TIME


I ASKED HIM SEVERAL TIMES IF HIS ARGUMENT WILL ONLY BE ANCHORED ON A SINGLE
WORD "UNTIL"- WHICH IS INCONCLUSIVE-

BECAUSE HARLAN IS ALWAYS FOND OF INSISTING HIS OWN OPINION AND PUTTING A
CONCLUSION WHERE THERE IS NONE

BECAUSE HIS CONTENTION IS THAT - IT WAS AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS THAT MARY
AND JOSEPH HAD RELATIONS- BECAUSE OF THE WORD "UNTIL"

THEN I ASKED HIM HOW THEN WILL HE INTERPRET THE FOLLOWING VERSES


"I WILL BE WITH YOU UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD" does this mean that after the end of the world Jesus will no longer be with us??

"MICAH THE DAUGHTER OF SAUL DID NOT GIVE BIRTH UNTIL SHE DIES"- does this mean that after she dies she was able to give birth?

I ALSO GAVE ONE WHICH WAS THE RAVEN THAT NOAH SENT OUT TO SCOUT FOR A DRY LAND-



ON BOTH QUERYS HARLAN DID NOT GIVE AN ANSWER BUT KEEPS ON INSISTING HIS
UNTIL OF THE VERSE OF LUKE- THAT MARY AND JOSEPH HAD RELATIONS AFTER JESUS
WAS BORN BECAUSE OF THE WORD UNTIL-

correction : this should be read and not what is posted

MICAH THE DAUGHTER OF SAUL DID NOT GIVE BIRTH UNTIL SHE DIED, does this mean that after she died she was able to give birth to a child?

HARLAN BRAGG:

((Teewee said: MICAH THE DAUGHTER OF SAUL DID NOT GIVE BIRTH UNTIL SHE DIED, does this mean that after she died she was able to give birth to a child?))

My reply: David was Dancing before the Lord in front of the people and she came out ad insulted him.

2SA 6:20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, "How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, disrobing in the sight of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!"

Because of this she would bare no children she insulted her husband because David was her husband. Besides David seed with Bathsheba would become the new King.

2SA 6:23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

Doesn't say until just says she had no children.

Nice try tho!
God Bless!

ERICA ERICSSON :

Hi, Harlan. what teewee is trying to point out was that the word "until" meant, according to the writers of the nt with the choice of word they use, that nothing happened afterwards. it just continue to be as it was before.

if "until" means the same until we use in english that means after the appointed time something will definitely happen. but that is not the case.

Teewee gave the example of Michal. "did not give birth 'until' she died". if we understand the word using today's meaning, it means she give birth after she died. she did not give birth after she died. it is because the true meaning of the word "until" ,as used by the biblical writers, is that nothing will happen later on. the state of the person or things will forever be the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Jesus said, "I will be with you 'until' the end of time". it does not mean that when the end comes he will no longer be with us. it means, as was, as is and as will be Jesus will always be with us. the word 'until' meant a continuation, nothing ever changes since the past, the present, up to the future - forever.

Matthew 1:25
But he had no union with her "until" she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

the meaning is the same here. Joseph never had union with Mama Mary before, during her pregnancy and after the birth of Jesus.

that is the true meaning of the word as used by these writers. if we give other meaning to the word "until" then we are not faithful to the scripture. if we take things so literally then the scripture will lose its purpose.

HARLAN BRAGG:

Yes but it doesn't say until Erica it says: 2SA 6:23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

Plain and simple had no children all of her life Teewee added the word until.


TEEWEE DIEGO:


YOU KNOW HARLAN YOU NEVER MET THE ISSUE HEAD ON

WE WERE DEALING WITH THE WORD "until" AND HOW YOU APPLIED IT

ANYWAY I WILL GIVE AN ANSWER AS YOU DID


HARLAN BRAGG:


must have used different version. still the point is the word "until". find out for yourself what it really meant as intended by the writers of the gospel.

God bless, brother.


TEEWEE REPLY

YOU KNOW HARLAN - YOU CHOSE ONLY ONE VERSE TO ANSWER

AND YOU CHOSE THE VERSE THAT DID NOT HAVE THE WORD UNTIL

NOW MY BIBLE DOES NOT HAVE THE WORD UNTIL TOO- IT SAYS THAT JOSEPH DID

NOT HAVE ANY RELATIONS WITH MARY AND THAT IS IT.

BUT I DID NOT USE MY CATHOLIC BIBLE -I USED THE KING JAMES-


NOW HOW ABOUT THE VERSE THAT SAYS

"I WILL BE WITH YOU UNTIL THE END OF TIME"

YOU DID NOT ANSWER THIS ONE- 

NICE TRY HARLAN HEHEHE

SO NOW WE RESORT TO VERBAL ENGINEERING HEHEHEHEH

NICE TRY HARLAN

I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER NICE TRY HARLAN

HEHEHE


HARLAN BRAGG:

I know what it meant when its says Joseph took Mary home as his WIFE and he didn't have UNION or SEXUAL relations UNTIL the child was BORN

MT 1:24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

This verse is so simple and straight forward why are you trying to change its meaning? I can not understand that!

HARLAN BRAGG:

HAHAH YOU ARE STILL FAR AWAY FROM WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND

ANSWER WHAT JESUS SAID - UNTIL THE END OF TIME

TSK TSK PICK AND CHOOSE WHATEVER YOU LIKE


JUST WAIT FOR MY ANSWER

YOU GAVE AN OPINION AGAIN- THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE GOOD AT

HAHAHAHAH I WILL NOT STOP LAUGHING AT YOU

KEEP ON TRYIN MAN


ERICA ERICSSON:

we do not change the meaning. we go back to what it really meant as the writer intended to mean it. if you chose the modern meaning then stick to it, harlan.

you cannot use today's word, the translation of the original word, if you want to get to the true meaning and intent of the writer. if i say, it is raining cats and dogs the people 1000 years from now will be wrong to believe these words as they appear. if they do not go back to our time they will never get it right.
find out yourself what the word "until" really meant according to the writer. this way you do not do injustice to him and does not give another meaning to the verse.

TEEWEE DIEGO:

AFTER MY STORY THAT WILL REALLY REALLY INTIMIDATE HARLAN

I WILL GO TO THE GREEK SIDE OF IT


ERICA ERICSSON:

A brief study of the concept of "until" as used in Matthew 1:25a

"...but he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son." (NIV)

"...but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; (NRSV)

"...and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son." (NKJV)

The Greek word most often translated as "until" is eos (pronounced āōs), and is negated by ouk at the beginning of the phrase, meaning "not."

The modern-day meaning of the word "until" might lead us to think that Joseph "did not know her until..." but that he did afterwards. However, the biblical usage is quite different. In ancient and biblical usage, the word eos is used to designate a "boundary formed by a historical event."[2]

The Greek conjunction eos (till), like the Hebrew ad-ki and the Latin donec, while expressing what has occurred up to a certain period, leaves the future entirely aside"[3]

Here are some cross references to illustrate that ouk...eos it more accurately translated as "not until this important event, but still not after" (i.e. never.)

1) Note Luke 2:36-37, the story of Christ's Presentation at the Temple. The verse describes Anna the prophetess as having lived with her husband for 7 years after their marriage, and then, "she has lived as a widow until (eos) ." At the time of The Presentation of Christ she is still a widow, and will continue to be so after this. The "boundary" historical event is the Presentation of Christ.

2) Another good example of this is Acts 8:40. The verse says "Phillip.... traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until (eos) he reached Caesarea" (NIV) Did Phillip the deacon preach the gospel after he reached Caesarea? Of course he did. The "boundary" historical event is Phillip the deacon's arrival in Caesarea and the word eos is used to denote the importance of this event. He preached before, until this significant event, and still after.

3) Another example is Matthew 24:21, where the use of the word (eos) as having an action as continuing into the future is actually clarified in the text: "then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until (eos) now – and never to be equaled again." This great distress has not been seen until now, and still, will never be seen again.

4) See John 5:17. Jesus is speaking: "My Father is always at work to (eos) this very day, and I, too am working." (NIV) or "My Father has been working until (eos) now..."(NKJV) "My Father is still working, (eos) and I also am working." Clearly Jesus did not mean that His Father was working only until that very day, but still. Jesus' presence on earth was a "boundary" historical event. The Father worked until that day, and still afterwards.

5) other examples: Genesis 8.7 "Noah...sent forth a raven; and it went to and fro till the waters were dried up from the earth."

Psalm 110.1 "the Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou on my right hand until I make thy enemies thy footstool."

See also Isaiah 22.15, Matt 12.20, 1 Tim 4.13, Psalm 90.2, Psalm 72.7

until does not mean something happened after. it means nothing ever happened after. so it really meant Joseph never had union with Mama Mary after the birth of Jesus. we have to be faithful as to what the writer really intend to tell us.

Luke 1:28 uses a special conjugated form of "charitoo." It uses "kecharitomene," while Ephesians 1:6 uses "echaritosen," which is a different form of the verb "charitoo." Echaritosen means "he graced" (or bestowed grace). Echaritosen signifies a momentary action, an action brought to pass (Blass and DeBrunner, Greek Grammar of the New Testament, p. 166). Whereas, Kecharitomene, the perfect passive participle, shows a completeness with a permanent result. Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar [Harvard Univ Press, 1968], p. 108-109, sec 1852:b; also Blass and DeBrunner, p. 175).

Kecharitomene meaning "full of grace", a continuation, as always Mama Mary was full of grace, for all time.

HARLAN BRAGG:

((Teewee said: BUT I DID NOT USE MY CATHOLIC BIBLE -I USED THE KING JAMES-NOW HOW ABOUT THE VERSE THAT SAYS))

The King James is an out dated English language which was limited with its translations of words. So the bible scholars saw it fit to redo the King James with a new modern English that could be easily understood.

I mean come on now when was the last time someone said I Spank unto thee thy word or where art thou going?

Key Points
More than 100 scholars from six English-speaking countries, as well as editors and English stylists, worked on the NIV. The scholars represented more than 20 denominations.

In the 17th century, King James translators worked from the Erasmus Greek text of the New Testament. Erasmus had six Greek manuscripts from which to work. NIV translators work from more than 5,000 complete or partial manuscripts and papyri.

It took 10 years to complete the NIV translation. The process started in 1968 and finished in 1978. This does not include more than 10 years of planning before 1968.

The system for editing each book is one of the distinctive features of the NIV. The procedure was as follows:

Initial Translation Team
Intermediate Editorial Committee
General Editorial Committee
Stylist and Critics
Executive Committee (or Committee on Bible Translation)
Final Stylistic Review
Executive Committee's Final Reading
The NIV was created and is maintained with the mandate to accurately and faithfully translate the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic biblical texts into clearly understandable English.

The NIV is the most widely accepted contemporary Bible translation today. More people buy the NIV Bible than any other English-language translation.


TEEWEE DIEGO:


MY CATHOLIC BIBLE SAYS IN MATTHEW 1:25

"so she gave birth to a son and he had not had relations with her. Joseph gave him the name Jesus"

TO the JEWS -YESHUA- means -GOD SAVES- JOSEPH NOW KNEW WHO MARY WAS CONCEIVING

BUT I DID NOT INSIST ON IT- I PLAYED YOUR COURT THE KING JAMES VERSION
LATER ON I WILL GO TO THE GREEK

WHO IS JOSEPH and MARY?


MATTHEW 1:18

This is how Jesus Christ was born. Mary his mother had been given to Joseph in marriage but before they lived together, she was found to be pregnant...

"THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT"-.....I WILL REPEAT THROUGH "THE HOLY SPIRIT"

(the protestant world treat the pregnancy of Mary
as just an ordinary pregnancy as if the holy spirit can just impregnate any woman in this planet, let alone any woman can just give birth to a JESUS CHRIST, why? because it is CATHOLIC AND ANY CATHOLIC BELIEF THEY STAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD- SO TO SPEAK)

.....then Joseph her husband made plans to divorce her in all secrecy.
HE WAS AN UPRIGHT MAN, and in no way did he want to discredit her.....

WHY IN SECRET?- the secret was.. that MARY WAS PREGNANT BECAUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT !!!!! who would ever believe a simple country lass a virgin being
pregnant because of the HOLY SPIRIT. THE WHOLE OF ISRAEL MIGHT BE LAUGHING AT YOU IF YOU SAY THIS.

PUT THIS IN THAT BRAIN OF YOURS HARLAN

and JOSEPH being an upright man married MARY so that the HARSH MOSAIC LAW
will not be imposed on Mary. She will be stoned to death.

MARY the niece of ZECARIAH - the high priest who six months ago just went in to the INNER TEMPLE only done ONCE A YEAR DURING THE FEAST OF THE DAY OF ATONEMENT- OFFERING SACRIFICE FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL IN ATONEMENT for THEIR SINS- AND to the HIGH PRIESTS OF ISRAEL-they draw lots on who will enter this INNER SANCTUM to make an offering- this is a risky undertaking for a HIGH PRIEST who has not cleansed himself well enough might end up dead. That is why they are tied to their waste so in case he dies - he will be pulled out.

Now Mary who is pregnant and unmarried will be scandalized so much not only in Jerusalem but maybe to the whole nation of Israel being the niece of
the HIGH PRIEST of THE TEMPLE- YOU CAN NOW IMAGINE THE BIG SHAME AND SCANDAL TO THE WHOLE CLAN OF THE HIGH PRIEST ZECARIAH the father of JOHN THE baptist. The jews will be after the stoning of Mary.

the levitical line of MARY- IS "ANAWIM" - THEY ARE JEWS WHO LIVE RIGHTEOUS
AND STRICTLY OBESERVES THE LAW OF MOSES -in other words it is a PURIFIED GROUP in the LEVITICAL TRIBE-

AND GOD CHOSE THE MOTHER OF JESUS from this group.

why was Joseph contemplating to divorce Mary and in no way to discredit her?

Because of fear!!!

Joseph new that MARY now belongs to GOD ALREADY- being pregnant because of
the overshadowing of the HOLY SPIRIT - SHE WAS GOD'S PROPERTY
SHE BECAME THE SPOUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT- SHE WAS SACRED GROUND.

and that MARY'S womb has the FIRSTBORNE- THE FIRST TO LEAVE THE WOMB
the JEWS HAD A HIGH REGARD FOR THE FIRSTBORN OF ANY WOMB- READ IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT ABOUT THE FIRSTBORN-

WHEN GOD SETTLED ON MOUNT SINAI TO MEET WITH MOSES AND ON THAT MOUNTAIN
GOD CARVED WITH HIS FINGERS SO TO SPEAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ON THE ROCK AND GAVE THE LAWS ON HOW THE JEWS WILL LIVE AND HIS MIGHTY NAME- AND A COVENANT- HE DECLARED THAT MOUNTAIN A SACRED GROUND.
A PRERIMETER WAS EVEN ESTABLISHED AND THOSE WHO VIOLATES THIS PERIMETER WILL DIE- AND INSTRUCTED MOSES TO EVEN TAKE OUT HIS SANDALS.

JOSEPH NEW WHAT BELONGS TO GOD BELONGS TO GOD. DID YOU GET THIS HARLAN

JOSEPH WILL NOT EVEN THINK OF WHAT HARLAN IS ALWAYS THINKING. THAT IS SEX!!

BEFORE JOSEPH WENT TO HIS PLAN OF DIVORCING MARY THINKING THAT HE WAS RIGHT.

BECAUSE MARY IS NOT ORDINARY ANYMORE FOR SHE BELONGS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT- ON
THE OTHER HAND KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES

JOSEPH NEW THAT GOD HATES DIVORCE

THE ANGEL APPEARED TO HER AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAID

MATTHEW 1:20

"JOSEPH DESCENDANT OF DAVID "DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TAKE MARY AS YOUR WIFE
SHE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT "

verse 21 "AND WILL BEAR A SON WHOM YOU ARE TO CALL JESUS ( GOD SAVES) FOR HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS"

THAT WAS THE FEAR HARLAN -

THAT IS WHY JOSEPH DID NOT ENTER INTO MARY AND NEVER DID

HE WAS A RIGHTEOUS MAN- NOT LIKE YOU- YOU ONLY SAY IT AND I DONT BELIEVE IT- EVER

BUT YOU HAD NO FEAR IN YOUR THOUGHTS HARLAN THAT IS WHY I NEVER BELIEVED YOU ARE RIGHTEOUS BECAUSE YOU KEEP ON THINKING ABOUT MUNDANE THINGS IN YOUR MIND.

YOU SAY THAT YOU LOVE JESUS OH HOW YOU DECLARE THIS IN ALL YOUR POSTINGS- BUT YOU NEVER TREATED EVERYTHING IN JESUS AS SACRED-

EVERYTHING IN JESUS IS SACRED HARLAN- HIS MOTHER AND HIS FOSTER FATHER JOSEPH GIVE RESPECT WHERE RESPECT IS DUE.

S WILL RECOGNIZE YOU FOR THAT

HOW WILL YOU FEEL IF YOUR FRIEND TREATS YOUR OWN MOTHER COMING INTO
YOU HOUSE AS IF HE SEES YOUR MOTHER A FIXTURE IN YOUR HOUSE.


ONCE AGAIN I WILL REPEAT WHAT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED

-YOU DID NOT REFUTE ANY OF THE BROTHERS OF JESUS THAT I IDENTIFIED WHO THEIR

FATHERS ARE AND NOT JOSEPH THE HUSBAND OF MARY- YOU SAY THE BIBLE IS NOT

THAT DEEP- BUT YOU WENT TOO DEEP WITH YOUR OPINIONS AND CONCLUSIONS

-HOW ABOUT JESUS WILL NOT BE WITH US ANYMORE AND HE WILL NOT BE
WITH US AFTER THE END OF TIME- WHERE IS MY ANSWER USING YOUR ARGUMENT
TO THE VERSE- NONE- YOU PICKED AND CHOOSE AGAIN

-WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF JESUS- AGAIN YOU SAID
THE BIBLE IS NOT THAT DEEP- BUT YOU WERE DEEP IN YOUR OPINIONS


-WHO ARE LIVING PEOPLE THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED TODAY COMING FROM THE LINE
OF JESUS CHRIST? NO ONE HAS EVER COME UP TO CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS HIS
GRAND DAD.

-WHERE ARE HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS DURING THE TIME OF CRUCIFIXION -WHY DID
JESUS LEAVE HIS MOTHER TO JOHN?? again YOU GAVE NO ANSWER

AND ALL ALONG YOU ANCHORED YOUR ARGUMENT ON JUST ONE WORD - "UNTIL"


"UNTIL" YOU CAN BACK UP YOUR CLAIM THAT JESUS HAD BIOLOGICAL BROTHERS AND SISTERS- YOU WILL COME OUT TO BE A STORY TELLER OF ALL TIMES
REMEMBER THE NUN THAT YOU SAID YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVERT - YOU COULD STARTED WITH THE POPE SO WE CAN EASILY VERIFY


"UNTIL" YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOUND REASONS AND LOGICAL AT THAT

"UNTIL" THEN I WILL BELIEVE YOU

HERE IS ONE BIG ADVISE- GO TO A CREDIBLE BIBLE TEACHER OR COLLEGE-
ESPECIALLY ONE THAT CAN TEACH BIBLICAL HISTORY

THAT HAS HERMENEUTICS AND CAN EXPLAIN THE EXEGIES OF WHAT THE AUTHOR WROTE

IN PLAIN READING YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AUTHOR TRYING TO SAY.

THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED EXEGIES- KNOW THIS FIRST

PERSONAL CONVICTIONS WILL TAKE YOU NOWHERE AND STILL END UP WITH NOTHING